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Alpina and Borrani (CMR) 13” Steel Rims

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On 12/13/2013 at 10:18 AM, horizon2002 said:

is it BMW wheels ?

 

Before buying, I'd try to confirm the model number: R1-528 for ET17 or R1-561 for ET30. Both will generally work on an un-modified '02 if you are conservative with respect to tire size.

 

There's a Euro-versus-U.S. controversy over whether the ET17 or ET30 was the intended size for the '02. If you look at the German '02 forum, you will see that, generally, the ET17 model is viewed as an '02 rim and the ET30 model is viewed as an Opel rim. But if you look at this, the U.S. forum, you will see that, generally, the ET17 model is viewed as an e21 rim and the ET30 model is viewed as an '02 rim! Per my pdf'd spreadsheet, however, attached to the original post of this thread, the ET17 model was produced, at minimum, from Feb. '71 through Dec. '83. This says that the e21 was NOT an intended target of the ET17 model (the e21 was first manufactured in May '75). The ET30 model was produced, at minimum, from March '72 through Nov. '80.

 

Steve

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I have a set of the Triangle style which is only stamped on the barrel:   ( 13 X 5 1/2 )  4   68

There are no other markings anywhere else on the wheels. From the data provided above, these must be the earliest examples from April 68.

 

I'll post a pic soon. They are not restored.

 

Slavs

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On 7/7/2015 at 12:36 AM, Slavs said:

I have a set of the Triangle style which is only stamped on the barrel: ( 13 X 5 1/2 ) 4 68

There are no other markings anywhere else on the wheels. From the data provided above, these must be the earliest examples from April 68.

I'll post a pic soon. They are not restored.

Slavs

 

Thank you, Slavs. Indeed, the early examples (perhaps '67-'68?) were marked only on the barrels, and not also on the faces. But, shockingly, I've been unable to get people to remove tires in order to document the barrels of a few rims without face markings! I believe these rims will have very early dates but I can't otherwise confirm! So it's great to add yours to the database and chart.

 

Post those photos, please!

 

Thanks and regards,

 

Steve

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Henning kindly pointed out the following set of CMR (Borrani-style) 6.5 x 13 rims (model R1/581, ET8) in the German forum's classifieds section:

 

http://marktplatz.bmw-02-club.de/showad.php?adid=15094

 

The owner wishes to trade his 6.5"ers for a set of 6.0"ers. Or, possibly buy a set of 6.0"ers.

 

Tempted?

 

Regards,

 

Steve

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Just in direct from Germany yesterday! Thanks Steve for your assistance and guidance through convincing my reluctant but very kind German seller to ship them to the USA. Very excited to have them here after waiting about 2 months from when they were purchased - they will be off to the restoration shop soon to be painted the original grey color (you can see a little of it from where the weights must have been on when they were painted black). Anyway here is the info:

   6Jx13 ET 30

   R1-561 
   KBA-40073
   Date stamp 6/77

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Forgot to add that these wheels have the Borrani (CMR) stamps on the outer flare as well.

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I am curious why it says 7-77 on the flare and 6/77 around the hub? The 7-77 is not a date then I suppose?

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Well I just bought a set of 13X6 Alpina wheels. They are being shipped to VA from FL without tires. So I will be able to check the race for any markings.

For some reason I believe these to be the same wheels owned by MartyR mentioned on page one of this thread. I say this because I vaguely remember a story of a Malaga 02 passing hands and ending up in FL. This car had Alpina wheels. The younger gent I bought them from replaced them with BBS RS wheels. He has since sold that car and put the Alpina wheels up for grabs. I don't have great pictures yet but will update once I have them in my garage.

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On 10/8/2015 at 10:53 PM, jmr_1602 said:

Well I just bought a set of 13X6 Alpina wheels. They are being shipped to VA from FL without tires. So I will be able to check the race for any markings.

For some reason I believe these to be the same wheels owned by MartyR mentioned on page one of this thread. I say this because I vaguely remember a story of a Malaga 02 passing hands and ending up in FL. This car had Alpina wheels. The younger gent I bought them from replaced them with BBS RS wheels. He has since sold that car and put the Alpina wheels up for grabs. I don't have great pictures yet but will update once I have them in my garage. 3196ddfbbd18003eea7d7d8b3b1451ef.jpg

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Congrats! Keep us informed! If 6x13, must be really quite rare: still looking for photos of, or an in-person sighting of, a 6x13 Alpina steelie -- 5x13 and 5.5x13 are rare but regularly seen.

 

Best regards,

 

Steve

 

P.S. Turned out to be 5.5x13 rims.

 

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Well I received the Alpinas yesterday. Like I said before, I believe these to be the same wheels that were referred to as 13x6 on page one. Came off of a Malaga roundie in Florida, but I believe this car came from the MidAtlantic region. I don't have proof of this but I remember following the car in threads throughout the years. The Alpina wheels always stood out to me.

Anyhow, they are not 13X6. Bummer! They are all stamped 13X5 1/2. Some are stamped on the face and the race. Some only the race, but possibly there are stamps underneath the paint.

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And the "13X6" Alpina from page one for reference. b655a292f3e1ce2205fbf34b29627d89.jpg

I'm not sure what I will do with them. They would look funny on my pig cheeked 1600. Or will they? I would like to get them widened to 13x8 so I could use them, but I'd also feel a little guilty for altering them. Suggestions?

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On 10/18/2015 at 11:53 AM, jmr_1602 said:

...I'm not sure what I will do with them. They would look funny on my pig cheeked 1600. Or will they? I would like to get them widened to 13x8 so I could use them, but I'd also feel a little guilty for altering them. Suggestions?

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First off, the Alpina (CMR) steelies are QUITE rare. I've never seen a widened set, whereas I've seen quite a few widened Borrani (CMR) steelies. But that difference may be entirely attributable to the rarity of the Alpina steelies. And, unlike the Alpina steelies -- which I'm more convinced than ever only came in 5x13 and 5 1/2x13 sizes -- the Borrani steelies were also available in 6x13 and 6 1/2x13 sizes.

 

One case: someone here swaps you even up for a set of equal condition 6x13 or 6 1/2x13 Borrani steelies (probably a fair trade, taking into account the considerably greater rarity of the Alpina steelies). But that won't really solve your problem, if you're shooting for 8x13! Or could you be happy with 6 1/2" rims?

Another case: someone here swaps you for widened Borrani steelies. There was a set of 8+ inchers on the German forum for the longest time. There are more in Europe than in the U.S.

 

Yet another case: simply get them widened. Some will scream but I gather there will be continued life and value for an 8x13 Alpina steelie -- well, at least as long as you can buy tires for an 8"-wide 13" rim!

Regardless of how you decide, great rims! Great find!

 

Best regards,

 

Steve

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Very cool wheels jmr. I almost had a set this summer, but lost out at the last minute. I am just fortunate I was able to wind up with the set of triangle style as I did. 

 

John

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