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They both certainly have their chalk and cheese so I guess I'll end up with whatever falls in my lap. The M20 seems to have the edge mainly due to the cost. I've been doing some research and I can easily find a late 80s E-30, parts it out and probably get the parts I need for just about free-excluding labor of course. However, if a good deal on a S14 should pop up and I have the money, I'll do that. If money were no object it would be the S14 for sure. The M20 still sounds good too. Wish me luck. PS-I agree with the sentiment that 200 hp is about all the car can handle without aggressively modifying the suspension re:hooking up. I'll enjoy my M10 for now and start acquiring for the future metamorphesis.

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I am an opportunistic pack rat. I know what I would like, but not always when i need it. D

An s14 came up for sale 5 minutes from my house. Took a look it, then the check book status, and decided it was too good to pass up. Someday, I hope to use it for more than garage jewlery.

If you have time, wait, then don't second guess you decision if a good deal comes up ;)

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Plan out what you are going to do really well, and then get *all* of the parts you need before you start. It starts becoming pretty obvious how things go together once it's all busted apart, and if you have all the parts sitting right there, the swap won't take too long.

Good luck!

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Cost of any project is always higher than you think..it depends what you put into it. With my m20 swap..I wanted to do it RIGHT..and I didn't want to have problems later on..or more work either. Which meant that everything was gone through, refurbed or replaced. Once you add up the costs of new timing belt, water pump, gaskets, clutch, belts, nuts, bolts, and about a million little things..well, that makes the difference. You don't want an old guibo, right? May as well blast and epoxy your subframe while you're at it you say?. What, old brake lines? they gotta go! That pedal box could use a refurb..etc, etc, etc.

The same would go for the s14 obviously...just don't fool yourself into thinking that 'i have all the parts, now all that is left is labor'. Of course, we have all heard this a billion times...take whatever figure you think it will cost, and double it. Thats the price of 'doing it right'.

Matt

'72 02/m20...a little less rusty than last week.

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So technically you're still paying that money for replacement parts, upgraded suspension, upgraded brakes, etc. Stainless steel brake lines cost the same whether you install an M20 or an S14.

In theory, the cost of the swap itself is independent of upgrades you make to the rest of the car.

Man, you gotta make better use of your "man math". Spend enough time listening to those cheapskates over at the GRM board and you'll be wheeling and dealing in no time.

-GABE

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As soon as my E30 transmission arrives I plan to weigh the whole M10 drivetrain and the whole M20 drivetrain as well as each engine separately. That way I can get a definitive weight difference and will be able to say for sure what the M20 adds as far as weight is concerned. Plus I get to be all scientific and stuff.

-GABE

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Was that a dis? NO HELP FOR YOU!!!! :). just joking. Actually, my GRMish project will be a '91 Civic SI hatch, megasquirted, junkyard turbo'd, with a 100shot . Should be fun...I'll hopefully start that soon..after my 02 bodywork is done

matt

'72 02/m20

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Slow..but really good I think...a large part due to your help (among others) ! I'll post some pics tonite of the progress. i cut out the back 1/3 of the INNER sill on the passenger side..so there is a lot of measuring to do before i graft the new chunk in. maybe i'll even get it straight :)

MK

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To do a turbo properly, with even a mild motor rebuild, is gonna cost about what building a complete S14 is.

The M20 conversion COMPLETE might end up costing less than the PLUMBING for the turbo.

Really!

But then, the twin turbos for the M20 will blow the budget again...

hee hee...

t

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