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Vern & E30 M3s

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Vern’s starter was replaced on Wednesday June 3rd at VSR with one from an E30 M3. Two things were discovered. The cold start relay internals had been amateurishly soldered and had a cut resistor. Luckily I bought two spares years ago & replaced it Thursday morning. 
 

The other discovery, E30 M3s are absolutely amazing. This was the first one I’ve driven. The speed limit formula of double it add 20 is pure magic! No, I didn’t do 90 in 35 though I was well over 35.

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Funny.  My driving impression of the stock E30 M3 on the street is that it is a completely unimpressive slug.  Heavy car with slow steering and a no torque engine.  325is is SOOO much better to drive on the street.  More power where you can use it, exactly the same interior, great brakes and the same suspension.  However, put the m3 on a track where you can use the power band above 5k rpm with the better stock brakes and a big stupid grin appears on your face.... The M3 has an impressive racing history and the cache that goes with it, but as a street car, meh.

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11 hours ago, M2M3 said:

Funny.  My driving impression of the stock E30 M3 on the street is that it is a completely unimpressive slug.  Heavy car with slow steering and a no torque engine.  325is is SOOO much better to drive on the street.  More power where you can use it, exactly the same interior, great brakes and the same suspension.  However, put the m3 on a track where you can use the power band above 5k rpm with the better stock brakes and a big stupid grin appears on your face.... The M3 has an impressive racing history and the cache that goes with it, but as a street car, meh.

Wonder what your impression would be if you DIDN’T have an M2.  

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56 minutes ago, jgerock said:

Wonder what your impression would be if you DIDN’T have an M2.  

Having owned a bunch of 325is's also, probably the same.   The m3 gets a ton of hype so the expectations when you drive them are high.... But if you just drive it on the street.... Disappointment.  Definitely a nice car, but not "OMG!".

 

 

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Have discussed the White/Black 1988 M3 in my photos extensively with Mario & Chris Langsten. The asking price is very fair for the car. I would have to sell my 1997 Dinan M3 & the 2007 3.0 Z4 Coupe + $20+ just to buy it. The E30 needs some rust remediation bodywork & a fully repainted to be 100%. Last thing I need or want is to spend another $25-$30K to fix it. While It was fun to drive for those 30 miles, It's a bit too "Boy Racer" for me.

 

The 1988 M5 does it for me. It does everything exceptionally well without drawing a lot of attention. It is truly a wolf in sheep's clothing. Even with the purchase, restoration, suspension & tires, I'm still below market value of E28 M5s.  

 

Have had my 1997 M3 for 19 years, bought it with 36K miles & it just turned 100K miles last fall. It looks like it left the showroom a few days ago I have meticulously maintained it. It's the best car I have ever owned. Made it a full Dinan car in 2016. Compared to the 2007 Z4 Coupe the E36 M3 feels like a very fast truck.

 

The 2007 Z4 Coupe we bought last May it is completely stock. It is very fast with a lot of torque & the suspension is super tight and very responsive. Bought it for $10K + set of Michelin Pilot Sport 4Ss + registration expenses. Put 4K miles on it last year.

 

The E28 M5, E36 M3 & E86 Z4 run circles around the E30 M3. Not willing to part with 3 for 1.   

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6 hours ago, M2M3 said:

Having owned a bunch of 325is's also, probably the same.   The m3 gets a ton of hype so the expectations when you drive them are high.... But if you just drive it on the street.... Disappointment.  Definitely a nice car, but not "OMG!".

 

 

Displacement and torque are definitely pluses for the 325is.

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had my (original owner) 97 M3 out on track this past weekend.  best car i have ever owned, by far, and the last one i would ever part with.  i get smoked by the newer bmw's and camaro's in the the instructor group, but can't wipe the big stupid grin off my face driving it.

 

warning though...i got hit by the defective bmw power steering system flaw going into turn one at a significant rate.  the low pressure hose connection to the "trombone" fluid cooler is a well known failure point that yields spectacular results as the ATF hits the LF tire and the exhaust system.  i had preventatively replaced mine 20k miles ago.  it blew out anyway.  huge mess and thankfully none of the cars behind me collected me as i sat backward in the middle of the turn smoking.  anyone with an e36 must change that line, reinforce the connection or replace whole system with aftermarket kit that uses braided hose and AN fitings.

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