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1967 BMW 1600 in Portland, OR


Mark92131

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Year:: 1967


Make:: BMW


Model:: 1600


Price:: 2800.00


Location: : Portland, OR

I saw this ad and thought I would pass it along.  A 1967 BMW 1600 in Blue over Black interior.  Missing some trim, nose took a smack, ran when parked 3 years ago, 325i Bottlecaps, nice Lecarra steering wheel, the dash is probably worth the asking price.

 

NM/NA,

 

 

Mark92131

 

 

 

http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/cto/5440435637.html

 

 

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1970 BMW 1600 (Nevada)

 

 

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Mark, thanks as always for sharing your finds! Would any kind and knowledgeable PDXer on the forum be able/open to check this out in person for me? We could work something out, plz PM me. Thx!

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1965 Hillman Imp - Rosemarie

1969 BMW 2002 - Dolores

1975 BMW 2002 - Rolf

1984 BMW 533i Swap - Alfons

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Mark, thanks as always for sharing your finds! Would any kind and knowledgeable PDXer on the forum be able/open to check this out in person for me? We could work something out, plz PM me. Thx!

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I've emailed the guy to try and see it myself (no response yet), but i'm not sure how serious I am. if I check it out and don't make an offer or deal I can let you know. I'm most worried about how bad the nose is (does it need replacing?) and the typical rust stuff.

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Looks like a deal but...pics only tell so much and being parked outside for 3 yrs in PNW weather, who knows? Wonder what the VIN is? If I hadn't just bought a nice little project, I'd be seriously tempted.

'74 Sahara/Beige 2002 HS car, long, long ago...

'73 Polaris/Navy 2002 tii lost to Canada

'73 Malaga/Saddle 2002 current project

'73 Taiga/Black 2002 tii in my dreams

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I've emailed the guy to try and see it myself (no response yet), but i'm not sure how serious I am. if I check it out and don't make an offer or deal I can let you know. I'm most worried about how bad the nose is (does it need replacing?) and the typical rust stuff.

I'd imagine it would cost way more to try and massage that back into shape as opposed to buying a new nose and installing it. A car like that you'd want to do right, as it's a '67 1600. Curious about the original color too, as it looks like it was resprayed in Anthracite (or something similar) at some point?

'74 Sahara/Beige 2002 HS car, long, long ago...

'73 Polaris/Navy 2002 tii lost to Canada

'73 Malaga/Saddle 2002 current project

'73 Taiga/Black 2002 tii in my dreams

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My take below. I probably will not be making an offer on the car because I don't have the space or tools for some of the work.

 

The nose is not as bad as I thought it would be, in fact, the upper portion of the nose looks great, the bottom is fairly troubled though. It PROBABLY still needs a full nose job, but perhaps not.

 

The entirety of the interior and trunk is wet still. Not a good sign. It seems that pretty much all the seals are gone.

 

The dash is cracked but salvageable.

 

The seats are probably salvageable, though perhaps the horsehair would need replacing, the covers looked good but probably need a thorough cleaning.

 

The carpet looked pretty new, but was all wet. Because it was recently installed I couldn't get it too far up to really check out the floor pans, but could to some extent. There is definitely some rust under there but the tar paper was all still in place so it was impossible to know how much. I did not find any spots where the rust went all the way through, but I would be prepared to strip the interior and possibly weld in some portions of new floor. The entire should be completely gutted and checked at each point. 

 

Under the hood looked pretty decent (dirty, but nothing looked too bad). The strut mount area looked rust-free, just a tiny bit of rust near the heater box, which I see on almost every 02 I look at. A bit more rust where the hood has rubbed some of the paint off on the passenger side, but it wouldn't worry me too much. Looked all stock to me, but with a stock air cleaner on the carb (which I did not pull) I couldn't tell if it was a stock carb.

 

The passenger door only opens about a foot, perhaps it just needs to be realigned, perhaps it is from whatever hit the car took.

 

Hard to get too good of a look under the car where it was sitting. Definitely some rust along the rails but from what I could see I don't think it would necessitate replacing.

 

In the trunk, the shock towers have clearly had some patch work done in the past (prior to repainting) but they looked solid as they are. My biggest concern is there was a few inches of standing water in the spare tire well. I did not pull the spare tire because its clamp was kind of rusty as well but there is certainly rust down there. From under the car, I can say it has not eaten its way all the way through, so again, unclear if it would need new metal welded in or if it could just be ground down and cleaned up.

 

A small amount of bubbling behind the driver rear tire, pretty typical spot to see it, no knowing how bad it is under there but nothing that screamed out.

 

Rear bumper had a bit of damage as well.

 

If I had a garage and could weld I would perhaps consider the car, I do think it is a car that should be saved and not parted out, but I certainly am not in the position to be its savior, perhaps you are.

 

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VIN 1530361 is a European market 1600-2 manufactured within the 1967 calendar year. It may be that ALL 1967 1600-2 models are marked in BMW Archives as European models; I just don't know if Archives' data reflects U.S.-bound cars as U.S. This dating comes from the BMW 2002 Club of Columbia's VIN decoder, which is accurate but not specific:

http://www.bmwclasicos.com/vin.php

The '67 models imported to the U.S. were 6 volt and had instrument clusters with chromed/silver-painted instrument cluster bezels. I cannot tell from the photos whether this is 6 volt but I do see that the current instrument cluster does not have a silver bezel. So, although a 153XXXX VIN sounds '67-ish to me (in the U.S.-spec sense), someone needs to do a BMW Archives inquiry (VIN to info.grouparchiv@bmwgroup.com) and search this forum to ascertain whether this is a '67 or '68 model -- or is that only a distinction that belongs to U.S. '68 models, which would have been manufactured after July '67? Does it really matter? Probably not much.

A U.S.-spec '68 1600-2 model, however, despite the advantage of its 12-volt electricals, will probably always be slightly less collectible than the '66 (quite rare) and '67 (rare) 1600-2 models. The 2002's introduction in '68 partially eclipses the '68 1600-2 for collectibility.

Overall, pkylm's description and photos of water and dampness in the car are quite scary but, somehow, the rust is not as bad as I, thus, expected. Maybe the water is a more recent event and thus has not penetrated the body everywhere. Make no mistake, this is a big project, and you will find more rust than you see in the photos. But rust seems to go along with the territory if you want an '02!

Good luck and regards,

Steve

Edited by Conserv

1976 2002 Polaris, 2742541 (original owner)

1973 2002tii Inka, 2762757 (not-the-original owner)

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Steve,

 

I think part of of the reason the rust does not appear as bad as it could be is the relative freshness of the paint. The spray looked pretty solid and undoubtedly helped protect the car.

I really wish I had a garage where I could take this on.

 

If anyone in the area wants to split a project with me, let me know!

 

EDIT: I do not know if it was 6-volt, would need to check

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Info from archive group:

The BMW 1600 VIN 1530361 was manufactured on June 29th, 1967 and delivered on July 05th, 1967 to the BMW importer Hoffman Motors Corp. in New York City. The original colour was Sahara, paint code 006.

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1965 Hillman Imp - Rosemarie

1969 BMW 2002 - Dolores

1975 BMW 2002 - Rolf

1984 BMW 533i Swap - Alfons

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Info from archive group:

The BMW 1600 VIN 1530361 was manufactured on June 29th, 1967 and delivered on July 05th, 1967 to the BMW importer Hoffman Motors Corp. in New York City. The original colour was Sahara, paint code 006.

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Great, so it is a '67 model by European OR U.S. standards. And, sold through Hoffman, it is a U.S.-spec car, originally equipped with sealed beam headlights, the existing U.S.-style license plate lights, mile-denominated speedometer/odometer, etc. It should be, at least originally, a 6-volt car and, at minimum, the original silver instrument cluster bezel has been swapped for a '68 or later black bezel. (More likely is that the entire cluster has been swapped out, so I wouldn't put a lot of faith in the odometer reading!)

The original interior in a Sahara '67 would have been "UPS brown" and all vinyl, since it came through Hoffman Motors. The existing seat covers are certainly not original -- even apart from their color -- having a few wide pleats rather than 12 narrow pleats on each front seat and 36(?) on the rear seat. But the lack of front seat headrests suggests the frames are original or the seats are, at least, from a car manufactured before January 1, 1969. (I'd first suspect the former.)

Had a Sahara '67 myself. Great car. But it would not start at temperatures below 20 degrees, even with a great new battery. The 6-volt system was just not up to it! Other than that, I had no complaints. The stock brakes were better than those in my '76 new; I always assumed it related to the light weight.

Regards,

Steve

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1976 2002 Polaris, 2742541 (original owner)

1973 2002tii Inka, 2762757 (not-the-original owner)

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