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VW has a little problem


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They should be fortunate that they are as big of a corporation as they are. If it was some smaller company something like this would likely make them go under I bet..

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They are some sneaky effers, for sure.  But, like I was talking to FAQ's write-in-candidate...  I'd like to see the #s.

 

Here's my take, and the #s I'd like seen crunched.  To achieve a certain emissions standard, the US TDI gets worse fuel mileage than the Euro version.  What is the Delta of the extra fuel burned by the US car vs the Euro car, and how much NO2 was produced burning those extra gallons? I don't know? But I want to find out. (40% was noted in some reports, but I don't believe that, and I saw no tech data referenced)

 

This falls into line with the Ethanol subsidies in gasoline....another of my soapboxes.  My '02 gets about 11% better mileage on non-ethanol gasoline (as seen on the long trips to MidAMericaFest); so what emissions savings are there in me running 10%+ ethanol-blended gas?  What kind of #s are we really dealing with here??  If the Delta is insignificant, is it worth the extra regulations, federal dollars, headaches, fertilizer runoff into the Mississippi River/Gulf of Mexico from growing corn on the same ground year after year, etc... ad nauseum.

 

If someone can show me hard #s that the emissions are significant, I'm ready to listen.

 

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I must be missing something..why would the prices drop?  hmmm, pollute a little more (probably still WAY less than any of our vintage cars...) and get better HP and MPG.  sounds like a good deal to me!  

 

VW basically did what most guys would love to do to their cars.

 

there are more than a few references in this forum about people who modify their 02's to get through emissions then put them back to performance mode for the rest of the year.  exactly what vw did.....

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I must be missing something..why would the prices drop?  hmmm, pollute a little more (probably still WAY less than any of our vintage cars...) and get better HP and MPG.  sounds like a good deal to me!  

 

VW basically did what most guys would love to do to their cars.

 

there are more than a few references in this forum about people who modify their 02's to get through emissions then put them back to performance mode for the rest of the year.  exactly what vw did.....

 

You have no idea.  Look at any vintage Porsche forum.  The cali guys that have a spare cat (or mail the cat to a friend) just for emissions testing.

 

The difference?  VW got caught.

 

Prices are going to drop, because people aren't going to want to be held liable by their local governing bodies.  What if CARB said that all VW diesel owners from whatever series are now on the hook for X$$$.  As with everything, it's all about the money.

 

AND - even if that doesn't happen, some people just don't want association with a "cheater".  Perception is reality.

 

I think VW was stupid for doing it.  

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My Audi A3 TDI is slow enough as it is but at least it gets excellent fuel economy. I'm not excited about giving up both power and fuel economy, as has been predicted in several articles I've read, in order to meet the EPA standards. It'll be interesting to see what solution they offer under a recall.

As far as resale values, VW issued a stop sell to their dealers for both new and used TDIs. I can't imagine the dealers are still buying trade ins if they can't resell them. I also don't imagine many folks will buy a private party sale while there's uncertainty. That's probably all short term, but I'd imagine once the damage is done, values are unlikely to rebound.

I know I paid a premium for a TDI over an equivalent gas powered A3, but I figured I'd get that back during my ownership via superior fuel economy (true so far) and historically higher resale value (we'll see). The longer I own it, I suppose the more the fuel economy might make up for (potentially) diminished resale value. It's been a good car, so I guess I'm not too worried about it, but I hope they get this sorted out fairly soon. I've been considering a new car next year and would of course like to get as much as possible for the A3.

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The dark cloud that follows most diesel cars and trucks that I see (and smell) makes me suspect that they are ALL mass polluters. If not when new, but just a few years after.

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I must be missing something..why would the prices drop?  hmmm, pollute a little more (probably still WAY less than any of our vintage cars...) and get better HP and MPG.  sounds like a good deal to me!  

 

VW basically did what most guys would love to do to their cars.

 

there are more than a few references in this forum about people who modify their 02's to get through emissions then put them back to performance mode for the rest of the year.  exactly what vw did.....

 

A few 02ers is a drop in the bucket compared to a million-cars-a-month (almost) mfgr like VW.  A few hundred thousand vintage car guys "cheating" smog tests with alcohol or other tweaks just to pass a car they drive on weekends is a big diffference than a mega-corp doing so on an industrial scale, as basically a massive conspiracy to defraud the government and the public.  They've admitted what they did was wrong, hence the $8 (or 7.2?) -billion they've set aside for addressing the problem (on top of the double-digit billion dollars in fines...

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Their penalty should be to go back and make a few more of these..

I'll make my custom order for the following one

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Not a bad choice. I'll take an oval window with sliding ragtop.

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