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Date: 6-22-07 08:27
From: mikekoch in Vancouver, WA View user's profile
Subject: 75 mintgrun MSII M20 conversion

My 75 project has taken a completely different direction. The M10 and e21 5sp has been sold and replaced with an 88 M20B25 and Getrag 260. See my blog for pictures and information:

http://www.xanga.com/thedoctor02

Some quick background details:

- M20B25, bone stock
- 325i manifold and fuel rail, 19lb version 3 injectors, breathing through a big K&N filter and custom intake pipe
- EDIS 6 ignition
- MS-II v3 and Innovate LC-1
- Volvo 240 front calipers and vented e21 rotors
- VW jetta rear calipers and MK1 vw front rotors for the back
- tii MC



Thanks

Mike


Last edited by mikekoch on 1-23-08 11:41; edited 4 times in total



Date: 6-23-07 05:31
From: SDKmann in Davenport, IA View user's profile
Subject: Re: 76 mintgrun Megasquirt-II project

What exactly is Megasquirt? Ive heard it a few times but have no idea what it is. Please enlighten me.
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Date: 6-24-07 10:27
From: mikekoch in Vancouver, WA View user's profile
Subject: Re: 76 mintgrun Megasquirt-II project

Megasquirt is an ever-evolving DIY open source engine management system. Your best bet is to do some reading here: http://www.megasquirt.info

Mike



Date: 6-26-07 08:10
From: M202002 in BURBANK, CA View user's profile
Subject: Re: 76 mintgrun Megasquirt-II project

beautiful motor



Date: 11-16-07 09:39
From: mikekoch in Vancouver, WA View user's profile
Subject: 76 mintgrun MSII M20 conversion

I've updated my project blog. Check out the link in the first post.

Mike



Date: 11-17-07 07:03
From: 2002Targa in Elizabeth City, NC View user's profile Send e-mail
Subject: Re: 76 mintgrun MSII M20 conversion

Heya Mike,
Your blog is looking good. I got to wondering about your tranny tunnel. How hard would it be to take a battery sawzall to the junkyard and whack the tunnel out of an E30? Seems like it would be a big step forward from fabricating one out of scratch...

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Date: 11-18-07 11:29
From: mikekoch in Vancouver, WA View user's profile
Subject: Re: 76 mintgrun MSII M20 conversion

I thought about that, and about adding on to the existing tunnel and reinstalling it. It's going to be a lot of work either way. As soon as I get the tranny to driveshaft vertical alignment worked out a decision will need to be made as to which is the slightly smaller pain in the ass. It will be fun anyway.

Engine is in for measurement now.

Mike

2002Targa wrote:
Heya Mike,
Your blog is looking good. I got to wondering about your tranny tunnel. How hard would it be to take a battery sawzall to the junkyard and whack the tunnel out of an E30? Seems like it would be a big step forward from fabricating one out of scratch...

TK




Date: 11-20-07 07:35
From: mikekoch in Vancouver, WA View user's profile
Subject: Engine is in!

Engine and trans went in on Sunday. It took two tries. First time in I realized that what would be the sensor mounts on an e car wanted to be where the throttle linkage is. Had to yank it out and cut that off, then stuff it back in and trim some additional metal from around the edges of the tunnel.

The 260 will work out eventually but there is definitely more work required to get it in versus one of the 24x Getrag versions. No regrets though.

Full story here: http://www.xanga.com/thedoctor02







Date: 12-27-07 11:04
From: mikekoch in Vancouver, WA View user's profile
Subject: Pictures, and quite a bit of work done

I've been working on the project as much as I can. Have posted a few pics to the actual blog. http://www.xanga.com/thedoctor02

Here is a teaser of my COP setup using 330i coils:


I've had a few of my own issues with this so far, but I owe credit for the idea to Tim Skwiot:

http://www.hbci.com/~tskwiot/2002_MSII.html



Date: 12-30-07 03:06
From: m20ohtwo in Mountain View, Calif. View user's profile Send e-mail
Subject: Re: Pictures, and quite a bit of work done

I'm glad to see an M20 swapper using that COP setup. Looks like you're doing a great job using that big tranny as well.

I was just driving my m20 2002 last night and despite lack of tune, it puts a smile on my face. Its incredibly smooth and torquey, just what a 2002 needs.

I saw on your blog that your having issues with the edis wheel. I found a way to mount mine that did not require a lathe and still cleared my radiator. It ended up being perfectly balanced too. I used a very small wheel from a certain early 90's thunderbird. and welded mounting nuts to a shortned eta power steering pulley (lined up its concentricity by eye since the wheel and the pulley are nearly the same diameter). The sensor mount was tricky though because the mount had to reach pretty far to meet the small wheel.
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Date: 12-31-07 07:23
From: Marty in Washington State View user's profile
Subject: Re: Pictures, and quite a bit of work done

Nice work Mike I'm doing the same thing M20 and 265 into a mintgrun 75 former automatic shell, one thing to watch when you fad up the tranny tunnel to firewall section is the clearance for your foot on the gas petal it's real tight. I'm up in Bellevue and would like to take a look if i'm down south someday.
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Date: 1-2-08 08:23
From: mikekoch in Vancouver, WA View user's profile
Subject: Re: Pictures, and quite a bit of work done

The COP stuff is straight forward, completely unnecessary, something I have enjoyed working on so far. Still need to devise a way to properly check my timing. There is one open outlet on the wire guide that I'll probably use to hang a lead out from the 1/6 pair, and mod my timing light to work with an alternate signal.

With the EDIS wheel, have that sorted now, just need to timing it tack it in place. The first issue was caused by ignorance on my part (can't machine the balancer as it is a rubber/steel sandwich) and the last two have been misunderstandings at the machine shop. I did some tedious work with a jewelers file the other night and now have the wheel sitting properly flush with a modified PS pulley. Took a while but it's finally done.

Can't wait to drive this car with the M20 in it!

Mike

m20ohtwo wrote:
I'm glad to see an M20 swapper using that COP setup. Looks like you're doing a great job using that big tranny as well.

I was just driving my m20 2002 last night and despite lack of tune, it puts a smile on my face. Its incredibly smooth and torquey, just what a 2002 needs.

I saw on your blog that your having issues with the edis wheel. I found a way to mount mine that did not require a lathe and still cleared my radiator. It ended up being perfectly balanced too. I used a very small wheel from a certain early 90's thunderbird. and welded mounting nuts to a shortned eta power steering pulley (lined up its concentricity by eye since the wheel and the pulley are nearly the same diameter). The sensor mount was tricky though because the mount had to reach pretty far to meet the small wheel.




Date: 1-2-08 08:27
From: mikekoch in Vancouver, WA View user's profile
Subject: Re: Pictures, and quite a bit of work done

Marty

I wish I had started with an auto! The manual tunnel is just too small. Is it worth the work? Yeah, because I can fit a 265 in there later if I turbo the M20 and won't have to mod anything. Clearance between tunnel and gas pedal will be very tight, in fact I may need to make some slight mods to the clutch and brake pedals to make it all line up and still have enough for a size 13 shoe.

I'll be in your area in a week or so visiting friends. If you make it down here give me a call at 503-329-4073 and I'll tell you how to get here.

Thanks

Mike

Marty wrote:
Nice work Mike I'm doing the same thing M20 and 265 into a mintgrun 75 former automatic shell, one thing to watch when you fad up the tranny tunnel to firewall section is the clearance for your foot on the gas petal it's real tight. I'm up in Bellevue and would like to take a look if i'm down south someday.




Date: 1-24-08 12:00
From: mikekoch in Vancouver, WA View user's profile
Subject: Sidetracked perhaps, but progress is being made

Just a quick update, to include pictures when I can get them up.

Engine compartment is completely stripped of wires, brake lines etc, getting ready to clean it up and respray it. I can't see putting a nice clean engine in such a rusty, filthy hole of a place.

Dropped the subframe and have now decided to take the opportunity to rebuild the whole assembly with all new poly bushings, ball joints and tie and track rods. New seals for the steering box too. It's all apart as of a few minutes ago. The stock rubber is fair in some spots, but bad in others. Somebody replaced a couple of the bushings but they all need to go.

Since I have tomorrow off, I'll be finishing the tunnel. I'll be doing the front section in 16ga to give strength back to the firewall, then joining that to the rear section with three panels (to make all of the right contours) of 20ga. Then is all gets trimmed, wire-wheeled and primed. It will be great to have that done.

I now have the brake Ts I need to plumb the Alpina-style brake master cylinder. Picked up a spare pedal box to use for the project. Thanks Gordon and Steve (Blunt).

Mike



Date: 2-20-08 08:24
From: mikekoch in Vancouver, WA View user's profile
Subject: Progress pictures

Driver floor is no longer made of swiss cheese, just ugly welds and lots of hammering and vented anger. Just primed to keep the rust off, still needs grinding.




New bushings etc up front. Lots of blasting and repainting. Well worth the effort.




Cleaning up the crusty engine compartment...



The new tunnel, just needs cleanup and some brackets welded on. This was tons of work. Not pretty but very strong and functional. I'll be able to yank the 260 tranny without pulling the engine.





Date: 2-21-08 09:24
From: -=Charley in SoCal View user's profile
Subject: Re: Progress pictures

awesome metal work Mike! I seriously need to take note on that tranny tunnel. it's not fun trying to get the tranny out with the stock tunnel. looks like your almost ready to roast the tires!
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Date: 2-21-08 09:30
From: mikekoch in Vancouver, WA View user's profile
Subject: Re: Progress pictures

Thanks Charlie I appreciate. Not far to go now until I can get the engine back in, just some repainting, the fab work on the Alpina-esque pedal box (yikes) and running brake lines. Oh, and finish grinding, reworking the throttle linkage, seam sealing, undercoating, blah blah blah. Lots of work but it does feel a lot closer now.

One drawback to the tunnel is that there is no way in hell the throttle will fit in the stock location, I pedal box fab include moving the pedals as far to the left as I can so I can either weld the stock pivot back on, or fab something new...

Fun fun

Mike

-=Charley wrote:
awesome metal work Mike! I seriously need to take note on that tranny tunnel. it's not fun trying to get the tranny out with the stock tunnel. looks like your almost ready to roast the tires!




Date: 3-7-08 04:11
From: deutchfiend View user's profile
Subject: Re: Progress pictures

fresh sub frame looks sooo pretty



Date: 3-7-08 11:16
From: mikekoch in Vancouver, WA View user's profile
Subject: Re: Progress pictures

Thanks, I'm glad I stopped dragging my feet on it (too much to do already) and just got it done. Doing the same to the rear as well.

Now I have to clean the wheel wells and repaint the engine bay just to make everything look right!

It never ends...

deutchfiend wrote:
fresh sub frame looks sooo pretty




Date: 4-9-08 08:24
From: mikekoch in Vancouver, WA View user's profile
Subject: A snails pace

It's incredible how much little time I have these days. Oh well, kids are fun.

I managed to complete my coilovers so I wanted to post a pic. It's from my phone so sorry about the poor quality:



Ever onward...


Mike



Date: 4-9-08 10:30
From: 70roundtail02 in Pullman/Olympia View user's profile
Subject: Re: A snails pace

coils look really nice what setup/route did you go for them?
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Date: 4-9-08 10:41
From: mikekoch in Vancouver, WA View user's profile
Subject: Re: A snails pace

Thanks!

They're rabbit sport inserts in shortened strut housings, 275lb Eibach springs and coilover kits from speedwaymotors.com. Coilover kits required shortening and some back-cutting on the inside (lathe required) to accommodate the perches and glan nuts. The spacers are about 3" and are made of 1.5" OD .25" wall aluminum tube.

edit: I should also add that the kits, while designed for bilsteins, are not for *these* bilsteins. The hole in the upper perch was too small (or too big depending on how you look at it) for the strut to go through. I could grind off the lip the gaitors lock into, or increase the diameter of the hole in the upper perch. I opted to grind the strut, felt that the other way would weaken the perch.

Lots of work, but a good-looking result.

Mike

70roundtail02 wrote:
coils look really nice what setup/route did you go for them?




Date: 4-18-08 10:33
From: cjreents in Portland, OR View user's profile
Subject: Re: A snails pace

Hey Mike -

I saw that your selling a Magnaflow muffler... what's your new plan for the exhaust?

Thanks,
Chris
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Date: 4-18-08 10:50
From: mikekoch in Vancouver, WA View user's profile
Subject: Re: A snails pace

A different Magnaflow actually (#11236) I'll have to modify the spare well for it to fit, but in the end I'll be able to use a wider range of mufflers. I heard this on a car and I really like the sound. It's not quiet, but has a really nice, well, growl I guess. Can't wait to hear the M20 through this thing.

Mike

cjreents wrote:
Hey Mike -

I saw that your selling a Magnaflow muffler... what's your new plan for the exhaust?

Thanks,
Chris




Date: 4-18-08 10:54
From: mikekoch in Vancouver, WA View user's profile
Subject: JimStim is a go

I realized that I could be programming my MS-II on the crappy days so ordered a stim, then changed that order to a JimStim kit. Put it together last night and am testing it tonight. It's much more complicated than the original stim but much, much more flexible.

It's supposed to be freezing ass cold this weekend, otherwise I'd be painting the engine compartment!!!

Mike



Date: 4-28-08 07:56
From: mikekoch in Vancouver, WA View user's profile
Subject: Paint is done

We've finally had some warmer weather lately so I took advantage of it and painted my engine compartment. I did a lot of painting several years ago and even got paid for some of it. Here's what I learned yesterday:

- Whatever painting skills I once had are gone. Worst paint I've ever done.
- Remove all wiring if you can. I have a ton of MS-related wiring that would be very difficult to remove so I bagged it and suspended it from the ceiling. Having that crap in my way made it very difficult to get good angles in the various seams and creases.
-That cheapo Harbor Freight paint gun they entice you with on the aisle end caps is probably the worst paint gun ever manufactured. I have a very expensive HVLP that I should have taken the time to fix.
- Lighting is critical. Don't shoot unless you can see what you're doing.

The upside is that I never intended this to be any sort of concourse car, and regardless of how crappy I think it looks now, the end result looks a hell of a lot better than 3 decades of filth and rust.

Will post a picture this evening.

edit: phone pics are unusable, will need to use the real camera. Coming back to it after 24 hours, it's not as bad as I might make it sounds. Did find a couple of nasty drips that will need to be sanded off though.



Date: 4-30-08 06:42
From: mikekoch in Vancouver, WA View user's profile
Subject: Re: Paint is done

Some pictures of the paint as promised...









Date: 4-30-08 12:32
From: bmw1602.com in Los Angeles View user's profile Send e-mail
Subject: Re: Paint is done

what radiator is that.....?
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Date: 4-30-08 12:47
From: mikekoch in Vancouver, WA View user's profile
Subject: Re: Paint is done

85 golf/Jetta TDI w/AC. Very similar to the scirocco of the same year, slightly different dimensions. I happened to find a used one cheaply that I used for mockup, then picked up the new one.

Mike

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what radiator is that.....?




Date: 5-1-08 12:21
From: cjreents in Portland, OR View user's profile
Subject: Re: Paint is done

Looking good Mike - I'll have to stop by in person one of these days...

- Chris
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