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Date: 10-13-05 10:38
From: RayC911
Subject: Since we're talking VIN legality-question for M2 guys again...  
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Since I have a 73, I assume I will never have to let anyone look under my for smog reasons. But what about my s14 motor? do I need to have a bill of sale with the car to prove it was sold to me? do I need to register it? or don't have to do anything? Didn't even think about it until the recent treads on VINs. As always, thanks for your inputs.
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Date: 10-13-05 10:51
From: Blunt
Subject: i havent done anything different
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im not sure where you live and maybe if youre in california you may have to worry. i have an s52 in my e30 and never did anything. we dont have inspections here tho either. i dont plan on doing anything to my m2 either.
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Date: 10-13-05 11:03
From: Tom Winston
Subject: It's possible to register vehicles as "MODIFIED" with the local DMV
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I have a (don't tell or i'll find you!!!) Land Rover that is not US legal registered as a 1968 - Modified. LR refused to put airbags in Defender 90's so the US DOT refused to let them import them. I purchased one (1996 110" Station Wagon) in the UK, and had it disassembled and shipped over to the US in parts. When I put it back together I registered it as a 1968 modified car that's all. When they asked me where I got the parts I told them a 1996 discovery and it was fine.
Some garages are strict but most states have state facilities for inspections where they do the trucks etc. and you may need to go there. As long as your vin on the dash matches the vin on the body you'll be fine.
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Date: 10-13-05 11:06
From: Steve J
Subject: In California the DMV goes by the VIN, not the motor.
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As long as your car VIN is for a 1973 and is smog exempt, then you can stuff just about any motor in there that you want.
Before the 02s were smog exempt, if you did an engine swap, you would have to go to a referee station(repeatedly, in my case) to get the car certified. They were mainly looking to see if you were trying to stuff an old V8 belcher into a brandnew Honda or something. As long as you were putting newer technology into an old car, they were all for that.
Now, if you go to sell it, I don't know what the requirements are as far as getting the vehicle tested in any way prior to transfer of title. THAT could be a stumbling block. Of course, you're never gonna sell it anyway, right?
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Date: 10-13-05 11:15
From: RayC911
Subject: I'm in Ca and didn't have to do any inspections when I bought the 02
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so I guess it wouldn't be a problem if I ever sold it. Not that I ever plan on selling unless I need the money for a new kidney. Thanks fellas. Now I can get on with my life.
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Date: 10-13-05 11:16
From: Steve J
Subject: Don't put the old VIN on a new car, put all new parts on the old VIN.
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All you need to do is cut away the entire rusting shell, and then weld up the donor shell to your existing VIN plate. It's just like replacing fenders and such.
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Date: 10-13-05 11:19
From: Barry A
Subject: It's kinda splitting hairs, but keep in mind that with regards to CA
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emissions status, vehicles from '75 and older are exempt from emissions TESTING only, NOT completely emissions exempt.
In a worst-case scenario, any law enforcement official can stop a vehicle, do a visual check for installed emissions equipment, and refer the vehicle for a formal emissions check if he has reason to think the emissions equipment has been removed or "tampered with" (this can reasonably be expected to extend to include engine swaps). Dunno about you, but on the off chance that I might get busted at some point, I'd want to have all necessary documentation that I purchased the engine (and any other major component) that's in the car in case the ARB, BAR and DVM get sticky about it......
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Date: 10-13-05 11:19
From: Tom Winston
Subject: EXACTLY!!!(nt)
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Date: 10-13-05 11:20
From: RayC911
Subject: So good idea to leave the cats on...at least??(nt)
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Date: 10-13-05 11:32
From: Matt_P
Subject: I've heard that happens often with houses in California.
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There are more restrictions on new construction than renovations, so often everything except one wall of a house is torn down, a new house built around that wall.
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Date: 10-13-05 11:43
From: f1reverb
Subject: And what about the insurance on your M2/20? If you have a policy ...
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that covers your modified vehicle and the insurance company knows it's modified you'll be fine. If you didn't tell them it is modified and has more value, you'd only get a used 200k miles engine for your M20/S14 engine on your 200k chassis, and more likely your car would be totalled as claims would be based on the market value of a stock '02, if they didn't say you misrepresented the car.
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Date: 10-13-05 11:50
From: f1reverb
Subject: One of the e9coupe.com CSL guys had that happen when . . .
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a CHP (by Sacramento) unit cited him for noise and not having a catalytic-converter. Of course the fact that the car was older than the use of CCs (or even the requirement to have one) didn't enter the cops mind. The charges were dismissed by a court.
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Date: 10-13-05 11:57
From: RayC911
Subject: And another good point. thanks(nt)
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Date: 10-13-05 12:50
From: Tom Winston
Subject: That's what supplimental insurance is for(nt)
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Date: 10-13-05 01:47
From: mike
Subject: Don't know about California, but we have (OH) an "assembled from
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parts" law that allows you to title a car (with no title) by presenting bills of sale from the major parts you bought to assemble a running car. It's then titled by the VIN on the largest chunk. I did this successfully with an old Renault I bought with no title. Had a bill of sale for the body, the engine and some sheet metal I bought at junkyards. It was titled according to the body's VIN (a 1960) and I had no problems registering it as a 60 even tho it was titled in 1975. No problems when I sold it either...
Very handy if you find a really old antique car in a barn or out in a field...
cheers
mike
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Date: 10-13-05 01:58
From: Barry A
Subject: Biggest issue is with highly visible modifications (like a 6-71 blower
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and dual quads sticking out of a big hole in the hood of a '73 Cuda) - probably the most likely red flag any of us are likely to display is a loud exhaust system.
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Date: 10-13-05 01:58
From: Steve J
Subject: No CAT needed. DMV sees CATs as part of the body of the car.
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That was the quote I got from the referee station when I updated my 71 2002 to a 1981 efi system. The 2002 did not have the required sheilding on the underside of the body to run a CAT.
I just ran a clean, tight, stock system. Make sure you do the same for the M2 set up. You have got a set of the X-pipes for the exhaust center section?
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Date: 10-13-05 03:11
From: CharleyII
Subject: good to know. thx!(nt)
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Date: 10-13-05 03:14
From: CharleyII
Subject: Re: EXACTLY!!!(nt) X2!(nt)
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Date: 10-14-05 01:41
From: dfureyo2's
Subject: its 3 walls..Ive seen destroyed lots with 3 walls and a tiolet still s
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tanding
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Date: 10-14-05 01:41
From: dfureyo2's
Subject: its 3 walls..Ive seen destroyed lots with 3 walls and a tiolet still s
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tanding
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Date: 10-14-05 01:41
From: dfureyo2's
Subject: its 3 walls..Ive seen destroyed lots with 3 walls and a tiolet still s
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tanding
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