Reagan was an amazing man, and not because he was a conservative.

The left dismissed him as a simpleton, an actor too shallow to be progressive in his thinking, too confrontational with avowed enemies of the USA.

Yet like him or not, he changed history for the better, and had almost a 65% approval rating when he left office.

We've been listening to some of his notes from his days as president in the car on a CD, and the man was anything but detached from what was happening. He frequently disagreed with hid advisors on policy, only to be proven correct in the end.

The notes/CD is very good stuff.
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He may very well have done some good, but he also did some pretty bad shhhtuff too. Iran Contra comes to mind, amongst other things.

He did drive up the national debt to some pretty incredible heights too, for a "conservative".

I think that holding the dude up as an icon of the highest standard for conservatism doesn't exactly jive.
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He may very well have done some good, but he also did some pretty bad shhhtuff too. Iran Contra comes to mind, amongst other things. He did drive up the national debt to some pretty incredible heights too, for a "conservative". I think that holding the dude up as an icon of the highest standard for conservatism doesn't exactly jive.

How dare you bring facts into this. Why do you hate America, anyway?
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[quote="Drow"]He may very well have done some good, but he also did some pretty bad shhhtuff too. Iran Contra comes to mind, amongst other things.

He did drive up the national debt to some pretty incredible heights too, for a "conservative".

I think that holding the dude up as an icon of the highest standard for conservatism doesn't exactly jive.[/quote]

IIRC reagan introduced some sweeping tax cuts in his first term and got the US economy in motion after the inflationary Carter years. his increase spending went towards "starwars" which effectively broke the back of the USSR once and for all. i was interning in w.germany in 1987 and remember how the elitist germans (and other euro-philes) would mock reagan and were assured he would start WWIII. i remember when he walked away from the Rejkivik (sp?) summit negotiations without signing and even i thought he was unreasonable at the time. he was widely mocked in this country, too. remember Ray-gun?

and i agree with Ollie North's comment on Iran contra: "seemed like a good idea to overcharge the Iranians and give the money to those fighting the Sandanistas..."

it's the real world we deal with, not the one we envision in our dreams...

reagan was great for the rich...interest rates were on average 18% for money in the bank.....18% for home buyers too...

i recall buying a home in san antonio in 1984 at 18.5%....reagan is/was a classic red herring...very likable but that admiration caused distraction from the issues
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and i agree with Ollie North's comment on Iran contra: "seemed like a good idea to overcharge the Iranians and give the money to those fighting the Sandanistas..." it's the real world we deal with, not the one we envision in our dreams...

Arming terrorists is a good idea? Like the ones supplying arms to the people who attacked us in Lebenon? Fighting a war Congress has specifically said we can not fight (in direct violation of the constitution) is a good thing?

Not in my country.
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esty wrote:

reagan was great for the rich...interest rates were on average 18% for money in the bank.....18% for home buyers too... i recall buying a home in san antonio in 1984 at 18.5%....reagan is/was a classic red herring...very likable but that admiration caused distraction from the issues

this is laughable

reagan pushed volker to raise interest rates to kill inflation inherited from carter, and persuaded enough blue dog democrats to support his view that it's not the governments money, it belongs to the tax-payer first. he started the greatest bull market economy in history, and the tax cuts benefited all income groups.

15% money markets don't benefit the poor also? are you kidding?
more wealth for all americans has been created due to his legacy, only to be squandered by each successive administration with overspending, most of all bush.

conservative economics, esposed by most republicans, has helped raise the standard of living for more democrats than any democrat has ever done. bush pushed through the biggest tax cut for the lower income groups in history i believe. oh, yes, it happened to benefit high income earners also, because..............drumroll...................they earn more. economic policies are supposed to level the playing field, not take from peter to pay paul. paul is supposed to get off his fat ass and work.
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gwb72tii wrote:

esty wrote: reagan was great for the rich...interest rates were on average 18% for money in the bank.....18% for home buyers too... i recall buying a home in san antonio in 1984 at 18.5%....reagan is/was a classic red herring...very likable but that admiration caused distraction from the issues this is laughable reagan pushed volker to raise interest rates to kill inflation inherited from carter, and persuaded enough blue dog democrats to support his view that it's not the governments money, it belongs to the tax-payer first. he started the greatest bull market economy in history, and the tax cuts benefited all income groups. 15% money markets don't benefit the poor also? are you kidding? more wealth for all americans has been created due to his legacy, only to be squandered by each successive administration with overspending, most of all bush. conservative economics, esposed by most republicans, has helped raise the standard of living for more democrats than any democrat has ever done. bush pushed through the biggest tax cut for the lower income groups in history i believe. oh, yes, it happened to benefit high income earners also, because..............drumroll...................they earn more. economic policies are supposed to level the playing field, not take from peter to pay paul. paul is supposed to get off his fat ass and work.

When Ronald Reagan died, Margaret Thatcher eulogized him, stating, "He saw the many sides of truth."

Try this side:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=hBx5-alXisY&feature=related

Thanks, Ron!

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the point of this post was to show his policy and beliefs in treating the enemy (all of them). I believe he was right on. Nobody is perfect but he is one of the greatest President's in my view.
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