One who can't express themselves without bad language usually has no point to make.

And no, I meant volatility. So look it up and learn something. Viscosity has nothing to do with oil vaporization.

Biscuit3 wrote:

Ash, I have had trouble with them as well. However, that is a grand ass! Tim
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kweebs wrote:

egads! Doesn't the sun shine in Australia?

It's winter time here, thanks bucko.
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H_Krix wrote:

Post 1: "Don't be a bunch of pussies and bitch about bad service, keep it off the boards, etc etc etc...".

When and where did I say that your opinions don't matter? I just had a read through my original post and I'll be dammed if I couldn't find it anywhere. I said I was tired of reading junk and people complaining about something that is easily fixed. Do you want to know how it is easily fixed? DON'T SHOP THERE!

H_Krix wrote:

Then you follow it up with "search the forums for what people have already posted." Seriously. Seriously? If people dont post, as you advise, there's nothing to search for!.

Like I said, there are previous crybaby posts about 2002AD. Go back in time and read them. If you don't know how to do that, why don't you contact my good friend "Gabe" and he can show you how.

jimk wrote:

And no, I meant volatility. So look it up and learn something. Viscosity has nothing to do with oil vaporization.

Is it just me or do normal people NOT measure their oil by how much it evaporates? Correct me if I'm wrong but if you are constantly having this problem, you should seriously consider buying another oil brand. By the way, I did look it up after you told me to. And I could only tie that word in with oil by a hair. You must have a college degree.

I'm sorry for all of you who couldn't keep up with my story. I guess reading comprehension wasn't your strong point in elementary school. Next time, I'll try to dumb it down for you all a little bit more.
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my opinion is....

2002ad sux a big one when it comes to service and oil doesn't evaporate
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Sorry, but I respectfully disagree with the absolute that oil does not evaporate. It is fair to say motor oil and grease have an obvious resistance to evaporation at room temperature as well as temperatures commonly found in an engine crankcase. But given enough heat - mineral oils will vaporize*. WD40 and other "light" or "distilled" mineral oils will not remain in the glass forever.

This does not mean I agree or endorse the petulant opinions expressed by the immodest person that initiated this thread. Such arguments seem better suited to a professional wrestling ring.



*by way of example the following was pulled from an Amsol advertisement. I am not promoting the product. Its just that it illustrates the above point:

Why Oil Volatizes
After crude oil has been pumped from the ground, it is sent to a refinery where it is distilled into its usable components. Distillation separates the crude into fractions based on their individual boiling ranges. The crude is heated
Fractioning Tower
A Fractioning Tower separates the usable portions of crude oil to obtain common end products.
until each fraction boils off as a vapor, and then is condensed and subjected to further processing. This boiling is essentially the same circumstance occurring during volatization in an engine, with lighter molecules vaporizing and heavier molecules remaining. In refining, this process can effectively increase the amount of similar molecular structures in each fraction, and therefore improve the stability and quality of each product refined. However, even the final petroleum-based product still consists of a wide range of hydrocarbon structures. These are sometimes referred to as a "chemical soup."

This "chemical soup" found in standard petroleum mineral oils contributes to many of their shortcomings when compared with synthetic oils. Because these molecules prevent uniformity, the oil has a tendency to deteriorate more rapidly. If lighter fractions are present in the oil, they can boil off (or volatize) which leads to oil consumption, oil thickening and a loss of performance.

Money to Burn?
Even though many motorists do not realize it, when they notice that their vehicle is "using" oil they are often witnessing the effects of volatization.
Most simply buy extra oil to replace what they assume the motor has "used" and check regularly to see if the level is low. But is adding more mineral oil necessarily the best solution to the problem? What they may in fact be doing by adding more petroleum-based mineral oil is burning up their money.

For example, if an automobile needs five quarts of mineral oil sold at $2 a quart to operate during a 3,000- mile drain interval, and the mineral oil used in the vehicle volatizes and is replaced at a rate of one quart every 1,000 miles, the automobile actually goes through 7 quarts of mineral oil during the drain interval and the motorist spends an extra $4 per oil change interval on "topping off" the levels. Considering that the average vehicle puts on 15,000 miles a year, $20 in extra oil is used to keep the oil levels sufficient.

But extra oil is not the only expense motorists face when dealing with volatization. As motor oil goes through the process of volatizing, the chemically lighter (or more volatile) portions are always the first to "boil off" in the oil. This leaves the heavier, less pumpable portions behind. This heavier oil cannot be relied upon to flow easily and quickly to all of the engine components. The end result is decreased fuel efficiency, premature component wear and deposit formation within the engine. The expense to the motorist can be quite substantial.

The Synthetic Solution
Synthetic motor oils have a natural advantage over petroleum-based oils when it comes to volatility. This is because synthetic oils are designed to have uniform chemical structures. This eliminates the extra chemicals and hydrocarbon structures (or "chemical soup") found in oils based only in mineral stock. Because they contain less lighter chemical portions to boil off, synthetic products lose less of their lubricating abilities to volatization.

AMSOIL Synthetic Motor Oils maintain their viscosity and provide ongoing cold start protection, fuel efficiency and reduced oil consumption.


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Abattoir wrote:

Sorry, but I respectfully disagree with the absolute that oil does not evaporate. It is fair to say motor oil and grease have an obvious resistance to evaporation at room temperature as well as temperatures commonly found in an engine crankcase. But given enough heat - mineral oils will vaporize*. WD40 and other "light" or "distilled" mineral oils will not remain in the glass forever. This does not mean I agree or endorse the petulant opinions expressed by the person that initiated this thread. Such arguments seem better suited to a professional wrestling ring. *by way of example the following was pulled from an Amsol advertisement. I am not promoting the product. Its just that it illustrates the above point: Why Oil Volatizes After crude oil has been pumped from the ground, it is sent to a refinery where it is distilled into its usable components. Distillation separates the crude into fractions based on their individual boiling ranges. The crude is heated Fractioning Tower A Fractioning Tower separates the usable portions of crude oil to obtain common end products. until each fraction boils off as a vapor, and then is condensed and subjected to further processing. This boiling is essentially the same circumstance occurring during volatization in an engine, with lighter molecules vaporizing and heavier molecules remaining. In refining, this process can effectively increase the amount of similar molecular structures in each fraction, and therefore improve the stability and quality of each product refined. However, even the final petroleum-based product still consists of a wide range of hydrocarbon structures. These are sometimes referred to as a "chemical soup." This "chemical soup" found in standard petroleum mineral oils contributes to many of their shortcomings when compared with synthetic oils. Because these molecules prevent uniformity, the oil has a tendency to deteriorate more rapidly. If lighter fractions are present in the oil, they can boil off (or volatize) which leads to oil consumption, oil thickening and a loss of performance. Money to Burn? Even though many motorists do not realize it, when they notice that their vehicle is "using" oil they are often witnessing the effects of volatization. Most simply buy extra oil to replace what they assume the motor has "used" and check regularly to see if the level is low. But is adding more mineral oil necessarily the best solution to the problem? What they may in fact be doing by adding more petroleum-based mineral oil is burning up their money. For example, if an automobile needs five quarts of mineral oil sold at $2 a quart to operate during a 3,000- mile drain interval, and the mineral oil used in the vehicle volatizes and is replaced at a rate of one quart every 1,000 miles, the automobile actually goes through 7 quarts of mineral oil during the drain interval and the motorist spends an extra $4 per oil change interval on "topping off" the levels. Considering that the average vehicle puts on 15,000 miles a year, $20 in extra oil is used to keep the oil levels sufficient. But extra oil is not the only expense motorists face when dealing with volatization. As motor oil goes through the process of volatizing, the chemically lighter (or more volatile) portions are always the first to "boil off" in the oil. This leaves the heavier, less pumpable portions behind. This heavier oil cannot be relied upon to flow easily and quickly to all of the engine components. The end result is decreased fuel efficiency, premature component wear and deposit formation within the engine. The expense to the motorist can be quite substantial. The Synthetic Solution Synthetic motor oils have a natural advantage over petroleum-based oils when it comes to volatility. This is because synthetic oils are designed to have uniform chemical structures. This eliminates the extra chemicals and hydrocarbon structures (or "chemical soup") found in oils based only in mineral stock. Because they contain less lighter chemical portions to boil off, synthetic products lose less of their lubricating abilities to volatization. AMSOIL Synthetic Motor Oils maintain their viscosity and provide ongoing cold start protection, fuel efficiency and reduced oil consumption.

interesting and educational however.....

pour a gallon of water in a pile of dirt and leave it undisturbed, the dirt will remain healthy after the water volatilizes....pour a gallon of oil on that same dirt and it'll never be the same....any and all life contained therein will move out or die or both

if all of the oil volatilized as suggested why wouldn't the dirt revert to a healthy "pre-pour" state as it does with water
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Biscuit3 wrote:

kweebs wrote: egads! Doesn't the sun shine in Australia? It's winter time here, thanks bucko.

Yes I'm aware of what season it is in the southern hemisphere. Maybe some of that sunless tanning lotion next time. Or keep the flash off. I'm just sayin'.

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Abattoir wrote:

Sorry but this exposition is the best I can do without more Cognac. Sight unseen, JimK can do a better job.

+1. General George Patton drank cognac and anyone else, including my granddaddy, who enjoys it is alright in my books.

Don't worry about Jimmy. He has a college degree. Well shit, as of this Friday, so do I! I'd better start putting it to better use and think of ways to pull information out of my ass just to spite someone.

P.S.

jimk wrote:

One who can't express themselves without bad language usually has no point to make.

Good point, Jimmy. I'm beginning to like you with every passing second!

H_Krix wrote:

Wait a minute... What the Fuck? Are you even reading the shit that you're typing out here? Get your head out of your ass.

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Abattoir wrote:

if you are willing to wait long enough.

relatively speaking to ms biscuits remark....that's why i have the opinion that typical motor oil doesn't evaporate..
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If it applies to me, it applies to you too.

Pot -> Kettle.
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Practically speaking, I agreed with you from the start (room and even crank case temperature)*

*motor oil and grease have an obvious resistance to evaporation at room temperature as well as temperatures commonly found in an engine crankcase. But given enough heat - mineral oils will vaporize

H_Krix wrote:

Quote: One who can't express themselves without bad language usually has no point to make. If it applies to me, it applies to you too. Pot -> Kettle.

Haha, believe me, I have no problem with that. Put it in a china shop or glasshouse, I can't remember which one that was...
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Biscuit3 wrote:

I'm tired of the majority of you all pissing and moaning about 2002AD. Here's a tip - get over it! Somewhere in this world, some punk dumbass is having second thoughts about ordering parts for their precious 2002 from 2002AD thanks in no small part to all of you who complain about how slow they are or that they are back ordered and didn't bother to tell you. This fear of "buyer beware" repercussions, however, is not enough. People such as myself should be given high powered rifles so they can sit atop buildings and snipe women and children for minor "opinion" violations. You might be asking yourself "but Biscuit3, why didn't you mention men?" To which I'd answer "good question, numb nuts," and I'd point out that men aren't being sniped because they're the ones doing the bitching and deserve the punishment of ultimately being alone and turning gay so then they can really have something to complain about. Am I suggesting that 2002AD should discriminate selling their products based on sex? You bet. 2002AD should start an all-out campaign to rid the world of women and children and turn all you pussies into homosexuals. How sweet would it be if you were walking through the park, holding hands with your haggardly girlfriend or wife when all of a sudden a 2002AD agent splashes your woman in the eyes with acid? Give up? The answer is "very sweet." You could be sitting there, just minding your business when *WHAM*: 2002AD is all up in your business like your boss during spank time at your cubicle. All joking aside though, I would never condone anyone throwing acid in your face. It's too slow. They should use napalm instead. In case you've never made napalm, it's awesome because it sticks to everything it burns. Not that I've made some, but if I had, I would probably know that the fumes are good to avoid. BeEmVeh2002 wrote: I gave them a month to get all my parts in, then after that I would call them every week and they would tell me some pieces are still missing. I was patient with them and finally last week they told me that the chrome kit that was priced for $456 on their site, is actually $860, and that they can either charge me more for it or cancel. I would consider shopping for parts elsewhere. -Cyrus Guess what Cyrus? Believe it or not, customers don't call the shots on what parts are ordered by companies and I'm damn sure they don't determine what the prices should be set at either. Since you won't be finding yourself starting up your own BMW 2002 parts company anytime soon, I'll clue you in: the business owner calls the shots on a store's content and shipping times. When I read your useless thread entry, I believe that it was in my best interest to let you in on this little secret. Until you get enough clout to call the shots, you do what the boss or in this case, the owners of 2002AD, tell you. End of story. Dsigner wrote: Ohhhhhh Da-am! I just ordered some small parts last Thurs. Thanks for the haeds up though. I think in the case of "Dsigner", the reason you haven't gotten your parts yet is so obvious. It is because you can't spell, chump. They're still probably trying to figure out what language you ordered in. In conclusion, I think 2002AD is a fair and reputable organization, and I would encourage you to buy more stuff from them to help fight against 2002 rot, which I would assume most of your cars have already. Am I right or what?

In conclusion, you are the biggest Cock Sucker on this board. Did I spell your Name right? Or is Cock spelled wih 1 eye?

Biscuit3 wrote:

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Thanks, I needed that. Good gawd almighty, how I love a great butt crack. And this, my good friends, is the Mona Lisa of Butt Cracks.

Biscuit3, me love you long time. Or, as Billie Bob would say -- "Miss Davis, would you go to the prom with me?"

Or further, as Billy Paul might croon . . .

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We got a thing going on,
We both know that it's wrong,
But it's much too strong to let it cool down now.

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Dsigner wrote:

In conclusion, you are the biggest Cock Sucker on this board. Did I spell your Name right? Or is Cock spelled wih 1 eye?

No problems there, champ. Seeing as I am a female, sucking cocks is like second nature to me.
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Biscuit3 wrote:

Dsigner wrote: In conclusion, you are the biggest Cock Sucker on this board. Did I spell your Name right? Or is Cock spelled wih 1 eye? No problems there, champ. Seeing as I am a female, sucking cocks is like second nature to me.

That answered all of my questions.. thanks

mmmmm.... ass crack.....

(an no panties?.... you dirty girl...)
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Dsigner wrote:

That answered all of my questions.. thanks

And what are you implying there, my man? Because I am female, I must have been having one of those "PMS" moments? Or that my opinion doesn't matter because I like 2002AD. Or is it both, because I'm real stumped here. I wouldn't have a clue what you are getting at. Could you please explain in ENGLISH?
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Biscuit3 wrote:

[ blah blah blah drivel useless crap blah blah look at me blah blah blah more drivel i'm a skank and proud of it blah blah

For the love of God girl, just shut up! please
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napa02 wrote:

Biscuit3 wrote: [ blah blah blah drivel useless crap blah blah look at me blah blah blah more drivel i'm a skank and proud of it blah blah For the love of God girl, just shut up! please

Wow, how manly of you. I'm so glad someone in the group grew some balls and told me what they really thought.
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Biscuit3 wrote:

napa02 wrote: Biscuit3 wrote: [ blah blah blah drivel useless crap blah blah look at me blah blah blah more drivel i'm a skank and proud of it blah blah For the love of God girl, just shut up! please Wow, how manly of you. I'm so glad someone in the group grew some balls and told me what they really thought.

Pay better attention.... I have a pair and I told you what I thought......
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so this baby seal walks into a club...

he was just trying his hardest to be like maddox....even stole one of his pics.

Pay more attention next time. I'm a girl and that is my girl ass. Maddox is a good friend of mine, I have met him a couple of times. Wise up before you state the obvious. Plus this agruement ended like 2 months ago, where were you?
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heh i just remember this forum exists every now and then and i check it for a giggle.