Does the whole thread have to be moved, or only the response?
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and who's qualified to play god....

my best suggestion is, be accountable for your own actions and stop bitching & trying to place the blame somewhere else each time someone says or does something that doesn't suit you....

you & no one else controls what you chose to do on the forums....you have the right to clik links or not, then you have the option to bitch that you don't like it or not... like seeing you guys bitch...it shows what girlie men you are

anyone wanna talk about beating horses here?
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gwb72tii wrote:

Does the whole thread have to be moved, or only the response?

Yeah, You can't just move a post, you need to move a whole thread.

esty wrote:

and who's qualified to play god.... my best suggestion is, be accountable for your own actions and stop bitching & trying to place the blame somewhere else each time someone says or does something that doesn't suit you.... you & no one else controls what you chose to do on the forums....you have the right to clik links or not, then you have the option to bitch that you don't like it or not... like seeing you guys bitch...it shows what girlie men you are

Being accountable for your actions is good. Not blaming others is great. Making good choices on the forums is even better.

Showing a little restraint might be best of all.

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anyone wanna talk about beating horses here?

You're right. A smarter person than me would have not taken another whack at this FLE (Formerly Living Equine). I thought I'd try and say something constructive.

Thanks

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dirt...i appreciate your responses and can't knock anything you've said but...

try as we might, to make good judgments, there will always be someone that disagrees...unless we find us a god and submit everything we want to say to god, for approval before it hits the forums, people are going to do and say what they deem to be their "good judgment" and some are going to flip and condemn them for not using better judgment

here's what i see as reality...my opinion only based upon a few recent threads....for every person that bitches and complains about who, what when and where, there seems to be 2 that either enjoy the comedy, controversy & take it with a grain of salt and accept it for what it's worth..........or not
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gwb72tii wrote:

Does the whole thread have to be moved, or only the response?

you can move part of a thread. Heres the deal though. the admins don't read every thread and its not like anyone likes being a damn nanny. We've all got other stuff to do and you know it'll turn into 'why'd you move my thread it wasn't THAT personal' and so on. Who needs that kind of grief??

The real solution is for everyone to play nice and quit all this nonsense.

my 02 cents

esty wrote:

dirt...i appreciate your responses and can't knock anything you've said but... try as we might, to make good judgments, there will always be someone that disagrees...unless we find us a god and submit everything we want to say to god, for approval before it hits the forums, people are going to do and say what they deem to be their "good judgment" and some are going to flip and condemn them for not using better judgment here's what i see as reality...my opinion only based upon a few recent threads....for every person that bitches and complains about who, what when and where, there seems to be 2 that either enjoy the comedy, controversy & take it with a grain of salt and accept it for what it's worth..........or not

Thanks esty.

I certainly don't expect people to always use common sence, restraint and good judgement. I certainly don't all the time. I would have ascended years ago if I did. I'm pleasantly suprised, however, when people do.

As you're fond of saying, doing nothing and hoping that things get better is not a solution. So my way of doing something is to say where I'm coming from when I comment on issues like this.

I try and maintain a high standard for how I treat people because I like it when people have a high standard in the way they treat me. I certainly cannot expect people to treat me well when I don't take the time and care to practice restraint and good judgement myself.

I grew up in a small town that no longer exists. (They took it off the map when the gas station closed and the State Department of Transportation took away the stop sign.) I was raised by my grandmother for most of my childhood. I've got a few of her old fashioned values. I learned that respect is something that is earned. It cannot be granted or commanded. You earn respect by being honest and respectful and by using good judgement.

I'm not naive enough to think that that is how things work on the internet, or even the world at large. I'd like to think that having a few more people around that treat each other respectfully and say so outwardly might raise the level of conduct JUST a little. I've generally found that thinking about others' needs before ones own is a good thing too.

Doing nothing doesn't make the problem go away. Being judgemental is probably worse than doing nothing. I'm neither higher, nor mighter than anyone else... if anything I'm lower and wimpier. The one option available to me for a situation like this is to be a voice of reason and moderation. If anyone hears, reads and thinks that it makes sense, COOL! If not, I've done nothing more than take up a bit of space on Steve's 2002 FAQ and made you all think that I'm a total geek (and you'd probably be right to think so).

I know that makes me come off as really stuffy. I'm not that way at all. I tend to be pretty formal in a community until I settle in and learn who is who, who can take some good natured ribbing and who should be treated differently. I can be a sarcastic ass like the best of them, though the butt of my jokes is usually me, or the President of the United States.

Sorry for making such a long proclamation. I guess I typed all of this because over the last few weeks I've discovered that this is a remarkable forum and a place that I'd like to hang my internet hat (so to speak). I care about what goes on here.

Thanks for reading.

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one of the most important things most don't acknowledge....as much as some wouldn't want to admit it...they come here and places like this for mere entertainment value..

using myself as an example...you can see all the threads started about me and against me...i take it in stride, if it makes the people starting them smile, feel superior, godlike, important, contributory, etc... so be it...i didn't get hurt, i'm still smiling...however they justify it, they're part of the big picture (whatever it is for the day) and want to be recognized...and as everyone should know....i won't let them down...ask yourself this mr dirt...do people like it, feel good when they start a thread that gets zero only 3 views & no responses?

you read far more people saying, "it's" entertaining, it would be boring here without "it", etc than you do those saying, momma, make "it" go away, i'm scared

count the views and # of responses to the negative threads then decide how much interest there is...controversial threads are familiar place people go back to and deep down in side, the majority misses them when they're dead and gone

i can't speak for others, but i come here 1st and foremost for the interaction between personalities...the technical is secondary to the human emotion...


fatal attraction perhaps?
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any member feeling its "right" to slander others and basically saying fuck off if you don't like it, correct?
Maybe censorship or banning isn't so bad after all. Apparently some on this board forgo decency and common courtesy because they can, and if another member happens read it in the middle of another thread, well, that's just too bad because we're all adults, and they can damn well say what they please no matter what.
So esty, where's your restraint and courtesy?
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[quote="esty"
using myself as an example...you can see all the threads started about me and against me...iyou read far more people saying, "it's" entertaining, it would be boring here without "it", etc than you do those saying, momma, make "it" go away, i'm scared

count the views and # of responses to the negative threads then decide how much interest there is
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i believe the only appropriate response to this is, you're F$&*@ing conceited. we dont care about your bullshit, yes it does have a high view count and i bet that makes you all warm inside, but really no one would care if you left
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gwb72tii wrote:

any member feeling its "right" to slander others and basically saying fuck off if you don't like it, correct?

do me a favor einstein....describe the slander...if you're talking about my blog...truth isn't slander no matter how much you bitch about it or don't like it

if i started a blog about what a sleezy cocksucker you are and it harm'd you in some way you could prove, that's slander...and so you know...it would be, if proven, libel...libel

don't believe me jr...ask someone that's smarter

and you bet...fuck you if you can't take a joke...you get that?...fuck you and your horse

now sue me for slander
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did you mean the horse I rode in on?

nice coherent response to the issue at hand

please answer the question, where's your restraint and courtesy?

In this day of nameless email/blogs, where there is no personal repurcussions if you are an asshole, isn't it even more important to have restraint and courtesy?

And just out of curiosity, how many boards have banned you? or how many boards do you not post on because they would ban you, and this board, at least for now, hasn't?
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Benetton wrote:

i believe the only appropriate response to this is, you're F$&*@ing conceited. we dont care about your bullshit, yes it does have a high view count and i bet that makes you all warm inside, but really no one would care if you left

what can i say....

like snakes on a plane, i attract a lot of attention

you came to see the freak show....
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you have keen insight.

It really is about attention, and like a misbehaving child, bad attention is at least attention.
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gwb72tii wrote:

In this day of nameless email/blogs, where there is no personal repurcussions if you are an asshole, isn't it even more important to have restraint and courtesy?

i ask'd you nicely once...what have i done that's against the law...

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News stories defame thousands of people every day in America, yet relatively few suits are filed. The law provides protection for the media, based on the Constitution’s First Amendment guaranteeing freedom of press and speech. To win a libel suit, you must prove more than the fact that you were defamed. Issue #1 - Truth The law says they can defame you and get away with it if the story is true. Truth is an almost perfect defense in a libel suit.

you're talking to me about restraint.....dude!

something else you chew over....

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Absence of Malice In the early 1960s Martin Luther King, Jr. was waging war against racial segregation in Alabama. He moved from city to city, encouraging black followers to break the law. Use segregated rest rooms, he told them. Sit in segregated sections of the bus. Demand service in restaurants and hotels that — by law — bar blacks. King reasoned that if the law was bad, the only way it would be changed was to get media coverage of public officials enforcing bad law. The civil rights movement became a major national story. The police who enforced the law became the villains in that story as they used clubs, fire hoses, attack dogs and tear gas to rout and arrest the demonstrators.

and for our canadian friends....

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Defamation: Libel & Slander Script 240 gives information only, not legal advice. If you have a legal problem or need legal advice, you should speak to a lawyer. For the name of a lawyer to consult, call Lawyer Referral at 604.687.3221 in the lower mainland or 1.800.663.1919 elsewhere in British Columbia. What is defamation? Defamation is false communication about a person that tends to hurts the person's reputation. The communication must be made to other people, not just to the person it's about. It can be spoken or written, or it can be a gesture. The law protects your reputation against defamation. If someone defames you, you can sue the person for money to compensate you for your damaged reputation. You have to sue in Supreme Court, not Provincial Court – refer to English language script 432, called “Our Court System and Solving Disputes.” You don’t have to prove that the people who heard or read the defamation actually believed it. Even if they knew it was false, it can still be defamation. Courts realize that lies can take on a life of their own. The law doesn't protect you from a personal insult or a remark that injures only your pride; it protects reputation, not feelings. So if someone calls you a lazy slob, you might be hurt, but you probably don't have a good reason to sue. If he goes on to say you cheat in your business dealings, you probably do have a good reason to sue, as long as he says it to someone else, not just to you. If he says it only to you, you can't sue because he has not hurt your reputation. Defamation can be a crime under the Criminal Code, but only rarely. This script is just about civil defamation. As well, if someone has defamed you, you may also be able to sue for a violation of your privacy, but you would need a lawyer for that. Section 7 of the BC Human Rights Code prohibits another type of defamation, namely, a discriminatory publication. For more information on that, contact the BC Human Rights Tribunal at 604.775.2000 in Vancouver and 1.888.440.8844 elsewhere in BC. Or see its website at www.bchrt.bc.ca. Also, refer to English language script 236. What is libel? Libel is the type of defamation with a permanent record, like a newspaper, a letter, an e-mail, a picture, or a radio or TV broadcast. If you can prove that someone libeled you, and that person does not have a good defence (see the section on defences below), then a court will presume that you suffered damages and award you money to compensate for your damaged reputation. But going to Supreme Court is expensive and even if you win, you may not get as much as it costs you to sue. In deciding on assumed damages, the Court will consider your position in the community. For example, if you are a professional, damages may be higher. What is slander? Slander is the type of defamation with no permanent record. Normally it's a spoken statement. It can also be a hand gesture or something similar. The law treats slander differently than libel: with slander, you have to prove you suffered damages, in the form of financial loss, to get compensation. But with libel, the law presumes you suffered damages. For example, say that Bill told John you were a cheat, and then John refused to do business with you because of that. You sue Bill and prove that you lost business with John because of what Bill said. Bill would have to compensate you for the loss of John's business, but not for the general damage to your reputation. It can be very difficult to prove this sort of financial loss. That's why most slander cases never go to court. But in the following four examples, a slander lawsuit may succeed without you proving financial loss. Even though there's no permanent record of the slander, the law will presume damages, as if there were libel, if someone: * accuses you of a crime (unless they made the accusation to the police) * accuses you of having a contagious disease * makes negative remarks about you in your trade or business * accuses you of adultery What about the right to free speech? The law protects a person's reputation but this protection can restrict other rights, such as the right to free speech. The law tries to balance these competing interests. Sometimes, even though someone made a defamatory statement that hurt a person's reputation, the law considers other interests more important. The law allows the following defences for a person who makes a defamatory statement. What are the defences to a defamation lawsuit? If someone sues for defamation, the most common defences are: * truth (known in law as "justification") * absolute privilege * qualified privilege * fair comment 1. Truth or justification A statement may hurt your reputation, but if it is true, anyone who says it has a valid defence if you sue them for defamation. 2. Absolute privilege There are two main examples of this defence: statements made as evidence at a trial, and statements made in Parliament. This defence also allows the fair and accurate reporting of those statements in the media, such as newspaper reports of a trial. People must be able to speak freely in our justice and political systems without worrying about being sued. 3. Qualified privilege Say a former employee of yours gave your name to an employer as a reference and that employer calls you for a reference. You say, "Well, frankly, I found that that employee caused morale problems." As long as you act in good faith and without malice, the defense of qualified privilege protects you if the former employee sues you for defamation. You gave your honest opinion and the caller had a legitimate interest in hearing it. 4. Fair comment We all are free to comment – even harshly – about issues of public interest, as long as our comments are honest, based on fact, and not malicious. For example, a newspaper columnist may write that a Member of Parliament (an MP) says he supports equality and equal rights, but he opposes same-sex marriages. The columnist writes that the MP is hypocritical. If the MP sues the columnist for defamation, the columnist has the defence of fair comment. Media articles that accurately report what was said at public meetings are also privileged, unless the meeting was not of public concern and the report was not for public benefit. What effect does an apology have? A newspaper or a TV or radio station that publishes or broadcasts a libel can limit the amount of the damages they may have to pay by publishing or broadcasting an apology right away. Summary The law of defamation protects your reputation against false statements. If a person makes a false statement to someone and it hurts your reputation, you can sue the person who made the false statement for damages. But because of other competing rights in our society, such as free speech and fair comment, you will not always win.

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you have keen insight. It really is about attention, and like a misbehaving child, bad attention is at least attention.

not especially, no...i'm more, the giving type person and enjoy giving others the attention they seek

besides...i didn't start this "hey look at me, i'm pissed" thread....


i reckon we're both guilty of whatever you think i'm guilty of mr...we're both here, in the same place, playing the same song
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with being right or if you can.
It has all to do with restraint (look it up) and decency/courtesy in your posts to others on faq.
You're like a 10 year old without supervision, saying whatever you want whenever you want.
Well good for you, you made your point. You certainly have the right to be an ass (look it up), and you exercise that right in almost every post.

I will paraphrase Churchill;
You madame, are an ass, and I am drunk, but at least I will be sober in the morning.

later...........
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gwb72tii wrote:

with being right or if you can. It has all to do with restraint (look it up) and decency/courtesy in your posts to others on faq. You're like a 10 year old without supervision, saying whatever you want whenever you want. Well good for you, you made your point. You certainly have the right to be an ass (look it up), and you exercise that right in almost every post. I will paraphrase Churchill; You madame, are an ass, and I am drunk, but at least I will be sober in the morning. later...........

i'm not hung up on being right dude, sorry if that's the impression i give...you are aware that, like much that i say, your opinions are subjective...don't you

churchill was a smart man...

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