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Date: 10-21-05 09:36
From: f1reverb View user's profile Send e-mail
Subject: Late-model BMW crash repairs costly/restricted . . .

Front-End Repair? Maybe Just Throw It Away

BMW's new techniques and rules restrict what repair shops can do, and
baffled insurers are junking the vehicles. Some critics think
manufacturers are
beginning to make throw-away cars.
By Ralph Vartabedian - Times Staff Writer

October 19, 2005

If you hear talk about things such as rivets, epoxy adhesives and
aluminum structures, you might guess the subject involves airplanes.

But in this case, we are talking about the front ends of recent BMW
Series 5 and Series 6 cars, which are constructed with many of the same
techniques you might find at the Northrop Grumman F-18 assembly plant
in El Segundo.

BMW touts the vehicles for their remarkable handling, fuel economy and
elite engineering, but critics of the designs say they are impractical,
vulnerable to minor accidents and difficult to repair the way BMW
recommends.

The technology is another step in a much broader auto industry trend
that is making collision repairs ever more costly, a kinder way of
saying manufacturers are building throw-away cars. It means that more
cars
are totaled when
they have relatively modest damage, particularly if they are more than
five years old.

Although BMWs can certainly be repaired, it requires a degree of
sophistication and cost that may be unprecedented.

BMW will certify auto body technicians only if they are employees of
BMW dealerships, using BMW-approved parts, tools, adhesives and rivets.
Though independent shops can buy equipment and get training, they are
not
allowed to say
they perform certified repairs, BMW's official seal of approval.

"It is a game," said Don Feeley, owner of three independent body shops
in Riverside. "Absolutely, they are shutting auto body shops out of
their business."

Of course, BMW does not see it like that.

The BMW system, code named the Grav 60, was introduced in the 2004
model year. It features an aluminum firewall, which separates the
engine compartment from the interior, and frame rails that extend
forward, all riveted and glued to the rest of the car's steel
structure. When the cars come out of the factory they are built to a
tolerance of 1 millimeter, about the
thickness of a
dime.

The entire front structure weighs just 100 pounds, meaning the vehicles
have a nearly perfect 50/50 weight distribution between the front and
rear wheels, said Jeff Kohut, BMW's paint and body business development
manager.

"It handles better," Kohut said. "Go drive a car with a steel nose and
you can tell the difference cornering, braking and turning."

But one important question is what happens when your prized BMW gets
kissed in the real world. With steel frame cars that are robotically
welded at the factory, a body expert can put the car on a rack and bend
it back into shape.

Under BMW's guidelines, any bending on the front end is verboten. An
accident that deforms the front end by more than 1 millimeter requires
the replacement of the main front-end structures. Because the engine,
transmission,
suspension and body are all connected to those structures, it is a
labor-intensive
process.

What's more, BMW specifies technicians can use only certain specialized
tools, such as rivet extractors and rivet guns. Kenneth Zion, an auto
body instructor at El Camino College and an independent collision
consultant, says a
shop can spend as much as $100,000 to fully outfit itself for BMW
repairs. Zion,
who has learned the system and will introduce the technology at El
Camino, said the new system is unprecedented in how tightly the
manufacturer is controlling the repair process.

It is so tight, in fact, that the repair and insurance industries are
going a little nuts.

A claims adjuster for AAA, who has examined damaged BMW cars with the
Grav 60 technology, says there is no question the repairs are more
costly compared to those of a steel unibody.

"Certainly, people are alarmed," said the adjuster, who asked not to be
identified because he would be handed his head if he were named. "An
identical car made with steel parts would definitely be cheaper to
repair. On
one half of
the BMW, you can have no straightening."

Feeley, among others, says BMW is overblowing the difficulty of
repairing the vehicles. "The manufacturers have always said they are
building
things that
can't be repaired, and we have figured out how to repair them," he
said.

The broader trend is alarming the auto body industry, which is composed
of thousands of mom and pop shops.

"Definitely, some of the auto makers want their certified shops or
dealers to be the only ones approved to do repairs," said David McClune,
executive director of the California Auto Body Assn. "If a shop has
properly trained technicians and equipment, our position is they should
have the
opportunity to do
those repairs."

Kohut said, however, that about 1,000 technicians have gone through
BMW's two-day training course for Grav 60 repairs, about two-thirds of
them from independent shops. Even though they are not certified, BMW
accepts
the fact that
they can perform adequate repairs.

Although he rejects the idea that repair costs are higher on the Grav
60 system, Kohut said insurers are struggling to understand the
technology.

"We have found the insurers are unsure of what to do with a car, so
they declare it a total loss," he said. "They weren't sure it would be
safe, so they
send it to the salvage yard."



Date: 10-21-05 06:41
From: Ray_73Turkis_OH in Springboro, Ohio View user's profile
Subject: Whoa....so what is the last year a shadetree guy can do? (nt)

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Date: 10-22-05 12:00
From: Fly2002Fly in or near Dallas View user's profile Send e-mail
Subject: Re: Whoa....so what is the last year a shadetree guy can do?

That and I heard that in the new e90 3-series the entire cooling system has to be replaced around 50k, due to light alloys and such. The only "new" BMW I'd ever consider buying is a Mini Cooper! I'm so not into the new "crap" the new designer is shoveling.
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Date: 10-22-05 08:51
From: Jack in Westborough, MA View user's profile Send e-mail
Subject: Re: Late-model BMW crash repairs costly/restricted . . .

While at Lime Rock in Sept for the Vinatge races there was a Lotus display of the bonded AL chassis of the Elise (a car which absolutely gets my motor running). My concern when looking at this really neat piece was..."And yes, if I bend it what the hell do I do with it..."! In many cases today you have to really do the insurance homework before buying the car. Nice post! thanks!



Date: 10-23-05 04:05
From: robspeed in INDIANAHHH!!!! =D View user's profile Send e-mail
Subject: BMW NA has a clear policy on freezing out the aftermarket

they are explicitly trying to run independent mechanics out of business, why should it be any different for independent body shops?? On the other hand, BMWs are probably the #1 most technologically advanced/sophisticated/complicated marque out there. M cars are basically hand-built race cars (at least the engines are), the new engine blocks are an amazing composite magnesium/aluminum casting, throttleless valvetronic induction, and the list goes on. In ten years all automakers will be using these types of hybrid chassis/bonding "technologies" (rivets and glue is "technology"?), just like they are right now copying BMW's (IFFY) styling directions. That stuff about 1mm i have to laugh at. You think BMW's spec for fixing their CURRENT chassises are any greater than that already?

The multiple-digital/optical systems busses and computers BMW uses are also being/have been copied, as are the traction/yaw control, adaptive transmission, and blah blah blah systems. even goddamned iDrive, fuggly dashes, and headlight "eyebrows". In any event, BMW has always pushed the envelope in tech and the accompanying cost of supporting that has always been there. The 02 back in its day cost a GOOD deal more than a Camaro or Mustang, and rebuilding an M10 has never been cheaper than rebuilding a domestic v8 despite half the number of pistons(ETC.) In other words, Break My Wallet is an OLD phrase...
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