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Date: 6-25-08 06:24 From: srfjay Subject: cool driver. 1968 1600. update aug 25/08
Well here is my 1968 1600 that i will be making a track/street car. I have built other cars before but nothing that needed this much work. But i like a challenge so it is ok. I will be trying to take pics as i work on it. Had it for about 2 weeks and this is were it is at. jason [/img] Last edited by srfjay on 8-25-08 02:04; edited 2 times in total

Date: 6-29-08 08:22 From: srfjay Subject: Re: So it starts. 1968 1600.
Ok got some work done today in trunk aera . Will be filling in the old gas tank spot and the spare tire section. I will be going with a fuel cell . Plus i have rust under both front and rear windows . I will be replacing the rear section. Not sure about the front corners any one come across this yet and if yes how did you deal with it.

Date: 7-7-08 11:52
From: srfjay

Subject: Re: So it starts. 1968 1600.

First i want to thank bart also known as Thatguy on the board for coming over and giving me some welding tips it was a huge help. Ok so i got some work done on the two corners under the front windshield that was completely rusted out.

Before.

After still need to grind down weld and add some filler but i am happy with it since it is First time down any body work.

Plus got the roof primed and some trim wholes welded up.

Date: 7-12-08 01:38 From: ThatGuy in Alviso< CA Subject: Re: So it starts. 1968 1600.
Looking better Jay. Remember, practice, practice, practice on the welding. The more you do the better you get. Those are tough areas to repair, good on you for taking on such a job. Keep us updated. _________________ 71, Riviera & rust. Are you talkin' to me?

Date: 7-12-08 01:39 From: ThatGuy in Alviso< CA Subject: Re: So it starts. 1968 1600.
Oh, and don't forget to treat the rust INSIDE of any body panels you can reach. _________________ 71, Riviera & rust. Are you talkin' to me?

Date: 7-12-08 05:24 From: srfjay Subject: Re: So it starts. 1968 1600.
Thanks man . Ya i used some rust stuff for the inner panels. I am getting better every day .I got lots done this week will post pics up soon.

Date: 7-12-08 11:23 From: HarryPR in Puerto Rico Subject: Re: So it starts. 1968 1600.
You did good on those patches! Wish I had the space, tools and, most of all, knowledge to do bodywork. Keep us posted on your progress! _________________ HarryPR BMWCCA #19290

Date: 7-13-08 01:10
From: srfjay

Subject: Re: So it starts. 1968 1600.

Thanks man ,but to tell you the truth I am learning as i go with getting all the tools and body work.
First is a new pic of the corner under the front windshield .I ground the welds down then hit it with some filler now just need to do a final sand on it.

Second i got my first layer of primer on most of the body.

Last was the fender it had a big rust hole that i put a patch in and filled in all the extra holes . I was going to get new fender but thought to myself that i wanted to learn body work so i kept them and just fixed em up . I think it turnd out good for my first time.

This is were i patched it should have takedn photos but was busy and forgot will do it for the other fender.

Date: 7-13-08 02:27 From: oz_tom in Melbourne - Australia Subject: Re: So it starts. 1968 1600.
Well done on attempting the welding and bodywork. It looks like it came out great. I wish i had a 68 1600! _________________ 72tii - Whitey 74 - Blacky

Date: 7-16-08 01:12 From: srfjay Subject: Re: So it starts. 1968 1600.
Ok so i got some seats for the car not sure what they are from but they are fiberglass and very light plus good shape. I do know they are from 70s or 80s.

Date: 7-16-08 01:21
From: bingbong in Sydney - Australia

Subject: Re: So it starts. 1968 1600.

looks good, will you be keeping the rat racer matt finish or are you going for a gloss coat?

EDIT: Also if your gona be tracking it maybe take out the sound proofing if you can bear the louder road noise
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holy negative camber batman!!!

'75/74 2002 Golf Yellow running!
tii pistons, 293, 40mm DCOE's, sump baffle approx 150hp

Date: 7-16-08 01:26 From: srfjay Subject: Re: So it starts. 1968 1600.
I will be doing a gloss coat two-tone. I know what colors but it is going to be a surprise. My goal is to be done by end of summer so hope everything goes to plan . Jason

Date: 7-16-08 02:11
From: srfjay

Subject: Re: So it starts. 1968 1600.

Ok i used the dry ice method today on the floor took about 2 hours . I read online that you break it up in little pieces and move it around but it was much easier for me to have one or two big chunks and slide those around. As for rust not to bad thought it was going to be a lot worse . So i will cut some panels out and por15 the floor .

I also weighed out the big chunks some of the pieces turned to dust after hitting it but got most .This is just the floors not the tranny tunnel. So 16 pounds not to bad.

Date: 7-16-08 04:09
From: bingbong in Sydney - Australia

Subject: Re: So it starts. 1968 1600.

i guess that answers my questions, ive heard you canbget like 30kg's out of just the sound proofing, but i may be wrong.
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zee wrote:

holy negative camber batman!!!

'75/74 2002 Golf Yellow running!
tii pistons, 293, 40mm DCOE's, sump baffle approx 150hp

Date: 7-16-08 04:31 From: srfjay Subject: Re: So it starts. 1968 1600.
Hey bingbong just noticed you edited that in. Well there is some more sound deadening on the tranny tunnel i will need to heat gun and scrap off so not sure how much weight all together.

Date: 7-22-08 09:44
From: srfjay

Subject: Re: So it starts. 1968 1600.

Ok so a tackled what i thought was going to be the most difficult part which it was so far. The rust under the rear window was bad no way to repair that so i cut a large chunk out from a salvage yard in berkely.
I have been trying to trim it so it would fit as best as possible before welding. I have been working on it for about two days now . I am proud of the progress just need to grind the weld then check it over. Here are same pics.
Before.

After. Still need some work but it is getting there.

Date: 7-22-08 11:52 From: Arshloch in Vancouver, BC Subject: Re: So it starts. 1968 1600.
This is some hard work you are putting into the thing. keep it up _________________ 68' 2002 DD

Date: 7-23-08 07:50 From: whatrudoing25 in Saratoga/ San Jose Ca Subject: Re: So it starts. 1968 1600.
looks prety good my only concern would be the penetration on those welds

Date: 7-23-08 09:22 From: srfjay Subject: Re: So it starts. 1968 1600.
Those will not be the finale welds i just wanted to get it all lined up. I will be grinding those down and trying to get some some more solid welds on it. Still trying to get the welding down just learning as i go .

Date: 7-24-08 08:22 From: Bill_Riblett in Arlington, VA Subject: Re: So it starts. 1968 1600.
You need to turn the heat up a little on your welder. As it is now, you are mostly putting little blobs of melted MIG wire on top of the metal you are trying to weld. When it is hot enough, the MIG wire will flow into the joint more.

Date: 7-24-08 09:43 From: srfjay Subject: Re: So it starts. 1968 1600.
Thanks for the reply. I will try to set the welder up better today. I will take pics to see what you guys think. Thanks for all the help guys.

Date: 7-24-08 02:23 From: Grant in Irving, TX Subject: Re: So it starts. 1968 1600.
This is slightly off topic from your 1600, but I have to ask... What's the other car in the garage next to it? :)

Date: 7-24-08 02:46 From: bmw1602.com in Los Angeles Subject: Re: So it starts. 1968 1600.
nice work! keep it up..... I would agree use a bit more heat on the welder but a series of small "spot welds" is the best way to go when doing thin sheetmetal as found in our bodies....too much heat and you get warpage or blowthru. _________________ 68' 1602 98' ///M3 Sedan 88' ///M3 Sold * 06' ///M3 Competition Pkg Sold * http://www.bmw1602.com/

Date: 7-24-08 04:24 From: srfjay Subject: Re: So it starts. 1968 1600.
thanks for all the replies guy i did some grinding and more welding today i feel that i got much better penetration . Here are the pics. As for the other car it is a original sterling kit car fro the 70s .It is all fiber glass with a hydraulic lift off roof. But at the moment it is just a good table haha.

Date: 7-24-08 06:40 From: Colin in San Francisco Subject: Re: So it starts. 1968 1600.
Try turning up the wire speed on your welder and you should be able to get smoother welds. If its spitting like that its because of that, or, you're not grounded well. _________________ www.sfrecording.com

Date: 7-24-08 06:53 From: srfjay Subject: Re: So it starts. 1968 1600.
I was trying different things today not sure if it is because i have a mig with flux core no gas. It was turned up to 8 out of 10 so not sure if i should turn it up all the way. Well practice makes perfect . But thanks guys for all the tips every thing is helping you guys are saying. Just keep it coming. Jason

Date: 7-24-08 07:34
From: Colin in San Francisco

Subject: Re: So it starts. 1968 1600.

srfjay wrote:

I was trying different things today not sure if it is because i have a mig with flux core no gas. It was turned up to 8 out of 10 so not sure if i should turn it up all the way. Well practice makes perfect . But thanks guys for all the tips every thing is helping you guys are saying. Just keep it coming. Jason

If its spitting, its the wire speed being too low, the amperage too low, or, you just need to practice moving more slowly and smoothly. Sometimes it can be from a bad ground, too. Usually its the wire speed.
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Date: 7-24-08 10:29
From: bmw1602.com in Los Angeles

Subject: Re: So it starts. 1968 1600.

definately practice on some 16ga sheet metal and get the settings dialed in just right.... it still looks off. Please get some gas.....flux core is just such a mess and should just be used on farm equipment.....

Get some gas, and practice on some scrap peices and before you know it your welds will be looking much better!

That's what I did!
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68' 1602
98' ///M3 Sedan

88' ///M3 Sold *
06' ///M3 Competition Pkg Sold *

http://www.bmw1602.com/

Date: 7-27-08 08:07 From: srfjay Subject: Re: So it starts. 1968 1600.
Ok so i got a 4 point cage for the car yesterday. I am going to modified some but thought i would take some before pics. Starting Monday i will start the door and hood and trunk.

Date: 7-27-08 08:47 From: OldSkool in US Subject: Re: So it starts. 1968 1600.
What brand is that rollbar? _________________ -Old Skool-

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