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Date: 7-8-08 02:13
From: citizenchan View user's profile
Subject: Car died in a hard turn. Fuel supply problem? Help pls??

stock 318i m10b18

Today, I was turning hard in a wide left turn through a light, and felt the engine lose power right after the apex of the turn. I was going roughly 35 - 40 mph. The car then died, and will not start.

Now that it's dead:
I can turn the engine over and it tries to start as though everything is normal, but it won't kick in/start, or try to bite.
Pressing the pedal seems to help a little bit - it alters the *sound* of the turning, but does not help it start any more.
I do not know if it has spark, but the wires are all connected on the coil, dizzy, etc.
I cannot smell any strong fuel smell, neither burnt nor unburnt.


The other day, I had the same issue with the car losing power in a turn, but it didn't die, and has driven 4 times since then. Today, I took the turn pretty hard, had the same issue, but this time it died and is not starting

My fuel pump usually makes an audible whirring noise when the car power is on, but not started. After the incident, it makes no noise.

My diagnosis is a lose connection somewhere in the fuel pump electrical supply. The fuel pump itself is connected, though, so I am thinking the disconect is at the fuel pump relay, or somewhere between.

Any thoughts? Anyone had this issue before? I could be way off about the fuel.



Date: 7-8-08 02:39
From: TobyB in Seattle View user's profile
Subject: Re: Car died in a hard turn. Fuel supply problem? Help pls??

Go after the fuel system first,

but if you break an engine mount, the engine can break its distributor
cap on the body- might be worth a quick check to rule it out.

hth

t
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Date: 7-8-08 04:09
From: citizenchan View user's profile
Subject: Re: Car died in a hard turn. Fuel supply problem? Help pls??

Will do. Thanks.



Date: 7-8-08 04:27
From: citizenchan View user's profile
Subject: Re: Car died in a hard turn. Fuel supply problem? Help pls??

Distro looks good.

I thought maybe it was a fuse, but all the fuses are intact and all the lights work. All the dash guages power on.

I don't hear a thing from the fuel pump. So, now I am looking at tracing the wires from the ignition all the way to the pump I think. Sheesh, what a headache.

Is there any trick I can use?



Date: 7-8-08 05:48
From: Kidasters in Houston, TX View user's profile Send e-mail
Subject: Re: Car died in a hard turn. Fuel supply problem? Help pls??

Disconnect all of the wires and short it. That way, you know if it's the pump or a wire.
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Date: 7-8-08 07:41
From: wegweiser View user's profile
Subject: Re: Car died in a hard turn. Fuel supply problem? Help pls??

If you're running original ignition - do a quick visual check of the wire that attaches to the condenser (small 1" long .5" dia cylinder thingy held to distributor like a barnacle) on the side of the distributor. It comes directly from the firewall harness, and has a nasty habit of getting loose / tugged off. It's a simple female spade connector, easy to repair w. solder iron and std parts. Bad motor mounts will put this poor wire through the ringer! Make sure the condenser itself hasn't gotten loose also - gently(!) snug up the micro flat head screw if needed.

DUH! Just re-read your post and saw it's not a carbed stock type 2002 motor. Sorry Mate! Ignore the above.

Sometimes I'm real dumb, see?

HTH

Paul Wegweiser


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Date: 7-9-08 06:05
From: Mike87 in San Jose, CA View user's profile Send e-mail
Subject: Re: Car died in a hard turn. Fuel supply problem? Help pls??

Check the fuel pump relay. Check for spark. Then check fuel pressure and volume. Also make sure that the connector to the engine temperature switch is on securely. If that connector comes loose, the engine will not run.
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Date: 7-9-08 06:35
From: mike in Beavercreek, OH View user's profile Send e-mail
Subject: Check the main relay & fuel pump relay--either can

cause the fuel pump not to work on an E30....I've been told to always carry a spare relay just for this reason--they can fail without warning

mike
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Date: 7-9-08 07:02
From: citizenchan View user's profile
Subject: Re: Check the main relay & fuel pump relay--either can

Awesome guys. Thanks for the help. I'll see about it in a few hours and be back.



Date: 7-9-08 04:35
From: citizenchan View user's profile
Subject: Re: Check the main relay & fuel pump relay--either can

PO set the pump up on an inline fuse and relay. All connections seem tight.
I am getting power to the fuel pump it looks like. Put my multimeter on 20 - Vdc and got 12.x. I'm a novice with electricity, being shocked a couple times doesn't make me an expert heh. So, this means that on a source up to 20 volts, I was getting 12 volts correct?

So, does it sound like a failing/whirring fuel pump would finally die right when the car was in a tight turn? That seems odd to me - why would the turn make the difference? I can see how inertia caused the fuel to move and possibly add or reduce the stress on the pump, but would that cause it to just go caput like that? I imagine it would still pump, just not strong enough.

I did have the issue once before, exact same thing with the car losing gas, except when I straightened out I got power back - that was just Monday, and I drove the car four times since, to have it die and stay dead yesterday.

What are your thoughts. Thanks for your help.



Date: 7-10-08 07:18
From: mike in Beavercreek, OH View user's profile Send e-mail
Subject: If you have +12v at the pump itself, then it's getting the

proper power, so either the pump has died, or its inlet is blocked by crud. In either event, you'll have to pull the pump to check.

E30 pumps (in my experience) are usually quiet until they're ready to fail, then they get noisy. Yours may have been stressed while cornering with a low fuel level, so it was sucking air and not getting cooled (in tank pumps are cooled by the fuel they are in), and it finally turned up its toes and died.

You're gonna have to bench test the pump and see if it works...

mike
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'73 Sahara sunroof-- "Ludwig"--mine since '78
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+ Fiat Topolini (Benito & Luigi), Renault 4CVs (Anatole, Lucky Pierre, Brigette)...
and Kermit, the Bugeye Sprite



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