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Date: 5-15-08 07:01
From: mtriple in Northridge  
Subject: Re: Early '02 Side mirrors  
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David,
You can buy the trap mirrors brand new available for the passenger side. As far as the dimensions, here is the diagram I obtained from CD here on the FAQ.
The mirror will have the mounting bracket and gasket short of the cage nuts that mount the bracket to the door so you need to get them separately.
If you do a search on this forum you can find more pointers. It needs to be done properly so the mirror doesn't shake or fall off.
I had mine done at the body shop as I was afraid to crack the paint while drilling holes.
Good luck
Hamada _________________ E36M3 535im 70Bristol02
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Date: 5-16-08 03:15
From: 02Les in China....again!
Subject: Re: Early '02 Side mirrors
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Your '68 model probably came with the real early type mirrors (see pic). These are NLA, but if you find any the mirror will fit either left or right side (not handed).
Normally, cars were delivered with only a driver's side mirror, unless a passenger side was ordered specially.
The trapazoid shape mirrors were used on later models and are now available again from BMW, and would not look out of place, like the '74-'76 flag mirrors. _________________ Les
'74 '02 - Jade Touring (RHD)
'76 '02 - Delk's "Da Beater"
'76 '02 - Dark Met Blue (running project)
'76 '02 - Sienna (comatose project)
'76 '02 - Sahara (parts car)
'98 323i Conv - Black
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Date: 5-16-08 03:59
From: 02Les in China....again!
Subject: Re: Early '02 Side mirrors
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| fjordblau wrote: | | what color is that greenish car? |
Turf. _________________ Les
'74 '02 - Jade Touring (RHD)
'76 '02 - Delk's "Da Beater"
'76 '02 - Dark Met Blue (running project)
'76 '02 - Sienna (comatose project)
'76 '02 - Sahara (parts car)
'98 323i Conv - Black
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Date: 5-16-08 08:13
From: mtriple in Northridge
Subject: Re: Early '02 Side mirrors
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wow is this a third variation of mirrors. I never seen this thin one before!
Live and learn!
Hamada _________________ E36M3 535im 70Bristol02
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Date: 5-16-08 09:59
From: a54atii in Yellow Springs
Subject: Re: And the early '02 Side mirrors were made by 3 different
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... and, of course, the early 02 mirror was a carry-over from the NK models which also had it mounted on the leading edge of the door. This didn't interfere with the vent window on the 4-door cars because the front edge of the window was farther back from the front edge of the door and the vent window was smaller. The mirror location was moved to behind the vent window on the NK cars sometime in '68 (I think). Does anyone know why the mirror location moved at that time?
Karl _________________ Listen. Think. Share. Repeat.
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Date: 5-16-08 10:26
From: 02Les in China....again!
Subject: Re: And the early '02 Side mirrors were made by 3 different
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| mike wrote: | manufacturers in two different styles: one with two screw-in mounting holes, and another with one screw and one stud. The latter was meant for the very early 1600s where the mirror was mounted way forward on the door. The stud actually went through the leading edge of the door sheet metal and was visible with the door opened. Took the factory a year or so to figure out that with the mirror in that position, you couldn'n open the vent window but just a little. Then they moved it rearwards a couple of inches.
Mirror history lesson for today.
mike |
We keep learning every day. Thanks Mike. _________________ Les
'74 '02 - Jade Touring (RHD)
'76 '02 - Delk's "Da Beater"
'76 '02 - Dark Met Blue (running project)
'76 '02 - Sienna (comatose project)
'76 '02 - Sahara (parts car)
'98 323i Conv - Black
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Date: 5-16-08 12:55
From: bmw_jeff in Santa Clara, Bay Area, CA
Subject: Re: And the early '02 Side mirrors were made by 3 different
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| mike wrote: | manufacturers in two different styles: one with two screw-in mounting holes, and another with one screw and one stud. The latter was meant for the very early 1600s where the mirror was mounted way forward on the door. The stud actually went through the leading edge of the door sheet metal and was visible with the door opened. Took the factory a year or so to figure out that with the mirror in that position, you couldn'n open the vent window but just a little. Then they moved it rearwards a couple of inches.
Mirror history lesson for today.
mike |
Really, I have the mirror in the far fwd position on my 67 and I've never had trouble with the vent window? Maybe it won't open to the maximum point, I don't think I have ever tried opening it all the way. I'll have to experiment later... _________________ Jeff
1967 1600-2 "Florida"/Brown w/sunroof - 6-volt all original 163k mi
2006 M3 White/Red - 6spd Comp Pkg
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Date: 5-16-08 05:43
From: tjones02 in Vacaville, CA
Subject: Re: And the early '02 Side mirrors were made by 3 different
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Incidentally on my '66-68 1600-2's where the mirror is mounted on the front of the door... I have not heard of that problem of not being able to open the wing window all the way. Mine open just fine... In some seat positions though the pillar for the wing blocks some of the mirror. In my 6 footer seating position I end up looking through the wing glass at the mirror...
I added a pass side early mirror and though I have seen factory photos showing the pass side ones mounted farther back like the later position I mounted mine forward on the door for sake of uniformity. It's at its max adjustment to get it into proper viewing position for me.
HTH
P.S. my beater Granada 1600-2 will be at the Bay Area 02 Swap & Show on Saturday, in all it's faded patina'd glory. Maybe I'll even have my Sting-Rays on the roof again..... :)
P.P.S Mike, I got to meet Brian Morgan last Friday at Thunder Hill where he was doing a few articles including one on the 1800TI/SA I work on for Pat de Witt. It was a pleasure to finally meet him, and get to work with him a little. _________________ Tom Jones
BMWCCA Life 49246
Vacaville CA
a Wrench @ http://www.ipb-autosport.com/
& http://www.caseymotorsports.com
67 1600-2 Granada
+ 3 more 1600-2's
67 1800A stored
76 2002 F/S soon
86 528e 5sp Mine 365k
86 528eA Wife's
90 CRX HF 50mpg!
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Date: 5-16-08 10:13
From: Delia in "Don't call it 'Frisco'"
Subject: Re: Early '02 Side mirrors
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| davida wrote: | | Also, does anyone have pictures or dimensions of where the mirrors were originally mounted, I have 3 sets of holes to chose from. |
Lots of information in Macartney's 2002 Guide. If you don't have one, get one. It's "required reading" for 02 owners.
The mirror styles, with photos AND the diagram indicating the measurements of the mounting holes are found on pages 179 and 180.
Delia _________________ 1973 2002tii
Inka (aka "Orange Julius")
VIN 2762756
1974 2002tii - damaged
Polaris (aka "Mae West")
VIN 2782824
BMW CCA member #1974
www.oldschoolbmw.com
deliawolfe@gmail.com
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Date: 5-17-08 08:04
From: HBChris in Huntington Beach
Subject: Re: As was previously stated, the thin mirrors as pictured on
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Mike, I would love to have the refurb article on the early mirrors. Thanks.
cmacha@socal.rr.com_________________ HBChris
`73 3.0CS Malaga
`69 2002 Manila (Mellow Yellow)
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